^yes please!! i'd love to learn adjectives and verbs!

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Oh yes!
Teach ussss!

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Hey guy! I have a book called "Langages of Tolkien's Middle-Earth" By Ruth S. Noel. I don't know how acurate it is, but I bought it anyway. It was sixteen dollars (Its a pretty skinny book) but the cashier gave me a dicount because she thought it was priced too much. She was really nice. I was going to show you all a few things, butI have to ride my bike up to Dominics and get my mom some taco seasoning! But I'll be back!

I'm interested. Deffinitely.

I'm back! Today we will be learning about verb endings, in both Quenya and Sindarin

Okay. So lets start with Quenya verb endings.
The followinng verb we are using is 'n' (be). The stem (or root) of this verb is also 'n'
This verb is regular, and all regular verbs follow these rules

Present
root+a
na- is

past
root+e
ne-was

future
root+uva
nuva-will be

Imperitive
root+e
ne-Be! (I do not know how to tell the difference between imperitive and past)

subjunctive
root+ai
nai- may it be

~For the plural, add an 'r' to the end.

Present plural
root+a+r
nar-are

past plural
root+e+r
ner- were

future plural
root+uva+r
nuvar- will be

imperitive plural
root+e+r
ner- be!

subjunctive plural
root+ ai+r
nair- may they be.

Okay. Now, to indicate pronouns (I, we, thou) as subjects, we will use suffixes.

~Add -n to the end of the verb to indicate "I" (present - na+n= nan, I am)
~Add -met for "we" (When using 'met', "L" is substituted for the plural "r") For example: present plural-nar. Substitute L for r, and we have nal. Now add -met to the end, and we come out with nalmet, we are.
~Add -lye for you. (present- na+lye=nalye, you are

Now its time for sindarin verb endings
We will use the same verb, 'n' (this verb is the same in both sindarin and Quenya)

Present
root+a
na- is

past
root+ant
nant-was

future
root+ath
nath- will be

imperitive
root+o
no- Be!

participle
root+iel
niel- being

auxilary
root+ i
ni- have been.

I don't know how to make it plural, and I can't find anything about pronouns, but I'll keep looking.

Now, for your homework (hee hee hee. And you thought school was out...) Actually this is quite simple, and it will go quickly

For Quenya, add endings and translations to the verb shine (the root is sil)

For Sindarin, add verb endings and translations to the verb open (the root is edr)

Was that all out of the book?
Just wondered.
I don't know anything about sindarin, but I know quite a bit of Quenya and i'd just like to ask...

1) What exactly is a 'regular' verb? In the lessons that I have been taking it says that there are two main types of verbs, the primary verbs and the A-stems. I don't mean to make things complicated, but I just wondered whether a 'regular' verb is one of those, or something completely different?

2) The past tense that Ive been taught and the one you put seem different. I was taught that you add në to the ending for A-stems (the type of verb I mentioned before) and for primary verbs (again - mentioned before) it gets pretty complicated and I won't go into it. The point is, it seems different. Just wondered...

3) what is Imperitive and subjunctive? I have absolutely no idea (except for your translations) can you help me out? Things like that confuse me lol

Ok I'll stop now, but those few things were just bugging me. Other than that it seems good. Although I wouldn't know about the sindarin of course. Is there an expert out there who could answer those questions, if you can't? Just wondered.

Hope I didn't seem like a perfectionist or anything. I was just a little confused thats all. And to anyone who might now think I'm some sort of Quenya expert; I'm not. And I'm not a very good teacher either.

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thank ya alll!!! that did help a lot ...

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Elanor, I'm hoping I don't sound pernickety either, so that makes two of us. I have a book like Nauriel's (in fact, i think it's the same one), also, but i think it must have been published before there was as much Elvish released as there is now, because some of what it says isn't what I've been taught. That's no-one's fault--with Elvish, having to guess is pretty much part of it. If anyone wants, you can download a free Quenya course from Ardalambion.com (if that link doesn't work, i think googling ardalambion will), which you'll see on the first page, next to "Quenya", I think. (There's a list of Tolkien's languages.)
Elanor: 1) According to Ardalambion, there are (mostly) two types of verbs in Quenya--regular and A-stem. A regular verb would be like sil- (shine silver or white) or quet- (speak). (For the infinitive forms, where we would say "to speak" in English, Quenya has the verb stem and then a hyphen. i.e. quet- ) The A-stems end in -a. For example--linda-, to sing or tulta-, to summon (i think).
2) I was taught -ne, as well.
3) I'm not sure about subjunctive, but imperative means basically an order or request. In Quenya, this would be "a sile!" (shine!) or "a linda!" (sing!) The "a"s are long, but it's hard to show that on a computer. (They'ld have an accent over them to show this, though. )

I'm not an expert either, and if anyone notices errors, please feel free to correct me. Hope that helped, though!

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Okay, EWlanor, I answered some of your questions.

1) what I ment by regular verb was that it followed the exact pattern I showed you. So I guess that saying "and all regular verbs follow these rules" was a bit redundent. I'm sorry.

2) That's the problem with learning language nobody speaks. You can't really tell what is right and what is wrong. I'll look more into it ans see if I can find anything. But seeing as how two people talked about A-stem verbs, and my book doesn't mention a-stems, (also that I already had my doubts about this book) I'm thinking that the book may be a bit wrong.

3) I'm not quite sure about subjuntive (I onlyy wrote down what I saw...) But I know that imperitive is a command. Well, I looked up subjuntive on google, and it seems to be that a subjuntcive is a request or wish.

kk thankyou, that helped. I've been taking the ardalambion lessons too, and they're great, so if your really serious about learning Quenya I recomend them

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check here: www.Arwen-Undomiel.com go to the Elvish section.
there's good Elvish stuff there.

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"I am he [she =P] that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

ah thankies! it is very helpful and wonderful help with the elvish! thank you so much, Nauriel Rochnur! That was excllent!

The wordlists on Ardalambion are also helpful for vocabulary, once you finish with the course, but if you're not looking for a particular word, I recommend googling "Quenya poetry" (Or Sindarin ) or something like that instead. It's easier to remember words that you learned in context.

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ahh ok ... its soooo difficult tho *sighs* *mutters about Elvish being excruciatingly hard to learn*

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It is hard. Graa! *eats the elvish language* yum.

There's stuff about sentance structure in this book. Do you want me to post that?