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PostPosted: October 21st, 2006, 3:05 pm 
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Enlightenment, tyrhael, please (you're becoming a sort of enlightener for us, anyway :D ).

Let me guess Ist+[some word for shine], am i right?


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Can someone, please, translate this in Quenya and Sindarin if possible:
"There is something elvish in all(everyone) of us"
I'll be very grateful, thank you


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SizarieldoR: I would try something with *celia-, an attempt to make a cognate to Q. calya- "illumine". I would have tried something with ist as you suggested, but combining that with a form of celia- led to a phonological issue I didn't know how it would result: would it form *ithgelia-? *ithchelia-? so I decided to use something from KHAN- "understanding, intelligence" to make it easier to form a compound. So, I would make *hangelia- for a verb and either make hangeliath with the -ttê suffix found in peleth, gwanath, and tirith, or use the gerund hangeliad.

I also just thought of another possibility in which I could use ist, which is to use the verb than- 'kindle, set light to' to make *ithan- and make a gerund *ithaned or the other form *ithanath, though the last is highly speculative since I don't know if the underlying vowel would be -i or -a, since attested thóniel could be from either.

So, *hangeliad, *hangeliath, or *ithaned would be my suggestions.

Adanedel: In Quenya, Eä ma eldarinwa mimmë illi, literally "There exists something Elvish within us all".


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Thanks for the help :) :)


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I am pleased to mention that we now know Tolkien's own translation of his last name into Quenya.

In his Letters, he translates his name into Gothic as Ruginwaldus Dwalakôneis, but this Eldarin version appearing in a document for auction is far more interesting to me.

Tolkien translated "Tolkien in Oxford" in 1968 Quenya as Arcastar Mondósaressë. See the analysis of that phrase here on Lambengolmor.

This also interests me because where once Tolkien translated "Oxford" as Qe. Taruktarna, now we have a version in later Quenya. Not to mention Tolkien's translation of "Tolkien"!


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Can someone translate
"Don't dream your life, but live your dreams." and

"Carpe diem. (Use the day.)" into Sindarin and Quenya for me, please?

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Rose of Rivendell: "Use the day" would be Iuitho i arad in Sindarin and Á yuhta i ré in Quenya. I have also heard Carpe diem translated "Seize the day", and if you wanted it as that I could render it such as well.

As for the other phrase, Áva óla cuilelyan, mal cuia olórelyar in Quenya. I could write that with "you/your" informally, though would not attempt so in Sindarin given the hypothetical/ephemeral status of -g/-ch and all that.

As for Sindarin, Avoltho a chuil lín, sennui cuio ely lín.

About elei/ely, that's one thing I actually agree with Salo and Fauskanger on.


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PostPosted: October 29th, 2006, 9:25 am 
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Thanks so much for your help, Tryhael! :)

Yes, I actually wanted "Carpe Diem" as "Seize the day." , so could you translate it this ways as well, please?
I'm sorry for the trouble, but my translation was the first one that came to my mind. Now that I read your post, I know that I was slightly wrong...

By the way: Does Arwen speak Quenya or Sindarin in the movies?
And do you know where you can get Elvish fonts for MS Word?

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Yay.. something I know... Arwen speaks Sindarin in the movies!
And for the download fonts... I think the main site of A-U has fonts for download... under the Media section. :angel:

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I would translate "Seize the day" as Mabo i arad in Sindarin and Mapa i ré or Á mapa i ré in Quenya.

As for the fonts, you can use the ones A-U offers... just don't download Tengwar Gandalf, as it's incorrect and some of the symbols are backwards.


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Again, thanks so much for your translations and your advice, Tyrhael! :)
And thanks for your help, Eä ! :)

*goes to check the fonts on the A-U main site*

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Could somebody translate "Princess of the Sea" into Sindarin and Quenya?

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We do not know a word for princess in Sindarin, though in Quenya sea is _ëar_ and princess is _aranel_, so Princess of the Sea might be Ëaranel from haplology of **gai(ara-ara)nelle. In Sindarin _ernil_ is derived from a similar form, and it's possible it could also be used for 'princess', like _gwanur_ being used for both 'kinsman' and 'kinswoman'. So _ernil_ + _(g)ae(a)r_ might make Ernilaer or Ernilaear.


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"Hope dies last"

Correct me if i am wrong - Estel fir medui. (i am not sure what changes "medui" has to go through)


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There is no Sindarin verb fir-, so I would say Estel gwanna vedui or Estel gwanna medui; I'm not sure about adverbial lenition, and m<v doesn't always happen anyway.


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Alriiight, I took fir from Pedin Edhellen anyway...


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