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Author:  Elthir [ March 26th, 2014, 11:02 pm ]
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I can do 'Elven' maybe...

Sindarin: edhellen based on Tolkien's Annon edhellen 'Elvish gate'

Quenya: I guess Eldarin would do for an adjective, short for Eldarinwa. See the plural in Tolkien's Eldarinwe leperi ar notessi 'The Eldarin fingers and numerals'

You could use Eldarin to mean 'Elvish' but more broadly perhaps: Quenderin 'Quendian, belonging to the Elves as a whole' (a learned word) [The War of the Jewels]. This might also be a short form considering Tolkien's quenderinwe coar 'Elvish bodies' (Parma Eldalamberon) so maybe singular *quenderinwa.

Well, I took a shot at [what seems to me to be] the 'easier' one anyway :)

I'm almost sure there's a word for blood in both languages [Sindarin sereg 'blood'], and probably 'glory' in some sense...

... but I'm lazy.

I agree with the following example at the link below [as it currently stands today anyway] for one possible way to write Sindarin edhellen in the Elvish letters [mode of Beleriand]

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Edhellen.svg
Author:  Qwertyuiop [ October 4th, 2014, 4:01 pm ]
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Someone I know found a piece of paper with what looks like elvish lettering on it while she was geocaching. Can anyone tell what this says? I tried to figure it out myself, but had no luck. :confuzzled:
Author:  DrZ3 [ December 14th, 2014, 4:10 pm ]
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Could you translate the name "Zechariah" in both Quenya and Sindarin? That would be awesome! Thanks a bunch!
Author:  Elthir [ December 14th, 2014, 11:09 pm ]
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Ales Bican did a Quenya version at his Baby Book website. Ales suggests...

"ZACHARIAS, ZECHARIAH, ZAC - Heb. 'god remembers'; eru "god", ista "know", so Eruista or Eruisto (with a masc. ending)"

If you agree that that's close enough, anyway. In any case we can see ista in the word Istari 'Wizards (Knowers)'. And Eru refers to the One God in Tolkien's mythology.
Author:  DrZ3 [ December 15th, 2014, 12:12 pm ]
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Elthir wrote:
Ales Bican did a Quenya version at his Baby Book website. Ales suggests...

"ZACHARIAS, ZECHARIAH, ZAC - Heb. 'god remembers'; eru "god", ista "know", so Eruista or Eruisto (with a masc. ending)"

If you agree that that's close enough, anyway. In any case we can see ista in the word Istari 'Wizards (Knowers)'. And Eru refers to the One God in Tolkien's mythology.


Thanks! Although I have a dilemma now, because on this page it translates the name Zachariah (which is the same name just with a "a" instead of an "e") as "Erurin" and "Enyalieru". Could one letter change that much? :swoon:
Author:  Elthir [ December 15th, 2014, 8:01 pm ]
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The Quenya suggestion seems to be based on a word from Cirion's Oath enyalien 'for the recalling'.

Anyway I don't think it has to do with the spelling of the original name but the effort to make an Elvish name fit with respect to meaning.
Author:  DrZ3 [ December 16th, 2014, 12:41 pm ]
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Elthir wrote:
The Quenya suggestion seems to be based on a word from Cirion's Oath enyalien 'for the recalling'.

Anyway I don't think it has to do with the spelling of the original name but the effort to make an Elvish name fit with respect to meaning.


That makes sense. However, which of the two Quenya names and the two Sindarin names do you think is closest to the actual meaning? :confuzzled: Thanks again, dude!
Author:  Elthir [ December 16th, 2014, 1:43 pm ]
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Hmm, in my opinion something with remembrance or memory seems closer than Ales' choice of ista.

In a note to a late text Tolkien explained that Elurín (in the text the i is long, thus it has the acute accent) is said to mean "Remembrance of Elu" so this is probably the basis for the Sindarin suggestion on the page you linked to...

... although to me the repetition of the r when you replace Elu with Eru makes it somewhat less appealing with respect to sound. Some people writing in Neo-Quenya use *enyalie as 'memory' based on the word from Cirion's Oath.
Author:  DrZ3 [ December 16th, 2014, 2:38 pm ]
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Elthir wrote:
Hmm, in my opinion something with remembrance or memory seems closer than Ales' choice of ista.

In a note to a late text Tolkien explained that Elurín (in the text the i is long, thus it has the acute accent) is said to mean "Remembrance of Elu" so this is probably the basis for the Sindarin suggestion on the page you linked to...

... although to me the repetition of the r when you replace Elu with Eru makes it somewhat less appealing with respect to sound. Some people writing in Neo-Quenya use *enyalie as 'memory' based on the word from Cirion's Oath.


Hmmm...interesting. So, are you saying that "Elurín" would probably the closest and best translation? It definitely sounds better!
Author:  Elthir [ December 17th, 2014, 11:31 am ]
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Quote:
Hmmm...interesting. So, are you saying that "Elurín" would probably the closest and best translation? It definitely sounds better!


Well not exactly, as Elu refers to an Elf (also named Thingol), while Eru refers to the One God, so you want Eru in there somewhere for the 'God' element.

What I'm saying is that while "Erurin" (as suggested on the page you linked to) is, in my opinion, closer than Ales' suggestion (Eruisto) as far as meaning is concerned, to me the repetition or the -r- in Erurin makes it less appealing than Tolkien's Elurín with respect to sound.

So it's up to you. Sound versus meaning (Erurin or Enyalieru, versus Eruisto, for example) and what sounds good will be subjective of course -- keeping in mind that technically, in both Quenya and Sindarin, the r is trilled.
Author:  DrZ3 [ December 17th, 2014, 4:59 pm ]
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Elthir wrote:
Quote:
Hmmm...interesting. So, are you saying that "Elurín" would probably the closest and best translation? It definitely sounds better!


Well not exactly, as Elu refers to an Elf (also named Thingol), while Eru refers to the One God, so you want Eru in there somewhere for the 'God' element.

What I'm saying is that while "Erurin" (as suggested on the page you linked to) is, in my opinion, closer than Ales' suggestion (Eruisto) as far as meaning is concerned, to me the repetition or the -r- in Erurin makes it less appealing than Tolkien's Elurín with respect to sound.

So it's up to you. Sound versus meaning (Erurin or Enyalieru, versus Eruisto, for example) and what sounds good will be subjective of course -- keeping in mind that technically, in both Quenya and Sindarin, the r is trilled.


OK, thanks! I think I personally will go with "Elurín". Although Erurin is cool too! :yes:
Author:  Elthir [ December 18th, 2014, 10:28 pm ]
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No problem... as long as you're aware (as I assume you are) that Elurín is not really a translation of the name Zechariah. I mean it contains 'remembrance'... so half the meaning is there, but it does not contain the 'God' part.

On the other hand choosing a name due to its sound would have pleased Tolkien in my opinion.

:-D
Author:  Deaghaidh [ January 7th, 2015, 6:49 pm ]
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So I've got a kind of atypical set of translation requests. I'm writing an After Action Report of my game of the Crusader Kings 2 Middle Earth Mod, and would appreciate help with some royal names for Arnorian Kings.

I know that post partitioning, the northern Dunedain stopped using elvish names for kings, but in Gondor Kings often took names reflecting their accomplishments. So when I reunite Arnor as King of Arthedain, potentially my High King should start using a similar name.

I have a few meanings I'd like rendered into the proper form:

'Flame of Arnor': a nod to the common mishearing of Gandalf's 'Flame of Anor', this is a posthumous name to be applied to the King of Arthedain who turned the tide against Angmar.

'Son of Victory': for his successor on his crowning

'North-Victor': for the king who finally destroys Carn Dum

A few locations as well, for smaller Arnorian castles or manors

'Swan Hill'

'Sudden Valley' (for the Arrested Development reference).

And on a totally different note, a name for a region granted to Eotheod warriors in Arnorian service. In my vision of the alternate timeline, the wide open plains North of Fornost and south of Carn Dum become a vassal principality, so my instinct is something like 'Normark' but I have no idea if that's appropriate for Rohirric.
Author:  MrSkinny21 [ January 21st, 2015, 5:17 pm ]
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Can someone please translate this phrase for me to Quenya Elvish. And if you could tell me the correct translation of the adjective easy or a word to replace it. The phrase is " Nothing in this world that is worth having comes easy." My translation is " Munta mi ambar sina i na walda arwa tulis oasie ( or "as asie")." If you could correct me if i'm wrong, that would be great. Thanks

PS i would have used the word hraia for easy, but later it's meaning was changed to different, awkward
Author:  DrZ3 [ August 20th, 2015, 1:35 pm ]
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Elthir wrote:
No problem... as long as you're aware (as I assume you are) that Elurín is not really a translation of the name Zechariah. I mean it contains 'remembrance'... so half the meaning is there, but it does not contain the 'God' part.

On the other hand choosing a name due to its sound would have pleased Tolkien in my opinion.

:-D

Hey, could you also help translate the name Hesed (also known as just Hess) into Quenya and Sindarin too? Thanks! :-D
Author:  Jax Nova [ October 12th, 2015, 12:46 pm ]
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Is there a meaning for the name?

To my understanding with names the best ( or near only) way to translate them is to use meanings.

For example if your name means "Rock" and your last name might be King you could find the elvish words (sufixes or prefixes and combine into onenif desired) that mean "Kingly Rock". Or "Kingly Stone". Etc....
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