I had no idea that Aragorn really didn't want to accept his place as Isildur's hier or even claim the throne of Gondor. All throughout FotR he refuses to even acknowledge the fact that he and Isildur are related. He even tells people that he will not accept the throne. I just wanted to point this out because I didn't really notice it the first couple of time's I watched or read FotR.

Really?? I always liked that about Aragorn, because it made him look unpretentious and also wiser in some way (because he thought about the weaknesses of men, who are his own kin..)

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Meh...I don't really get that. You see how much joy and fufillment the Return of the King brings to Gondor. He should have felt some responsibility for his kingdom. I never liked the fact that he only became the King of Gondor so that he could win Arwen.

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What I liked about that was that he wondered if he was the right one to rule so many people. He wondered if he could bare the responsibility he'd have and he wasn't sure if it was the best thing if men would rule the world after the elves were gone. I think it's very good that he saw the weaknesses of his own race and that he saw himself as one of them with the same weaknesses.

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That's what I got from the movie, but in the book I found that he was only waiting for the right time. I found that in the movie it made him in that way a bit of baby.

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yeah i agree with Firiel
( pardon the no accent im too lazy)

but i kinda thought it was a weakness as well that he didnt take up the throne of Gondor because he doesn't believe himself to be worthy but i think he needs to truswt in himself hmm just a thought but i kinda go both ways on this topic

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I never interpreted that as weakness, but perhaps you're right. I always thought it was very thoughtful that he thought about his problems and his worthiness though it wasn't really necessary, because he was the right one actually, but I think he couldn't see it being himself.. (I know, very confusing explanation )

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Isn't it always easier to follow leaders...?
Just a thought...

I see Aragorn as a great leader but for many many years he lived as a ranger in a partly self-chosen exile. He had only himself to answer to. I don't quite remember about his early years, but as far as I remember he was brought up in the House of Elrond and raised accordingly to become a King one day. He was well aware of his heritage and his responsability, but it does take courage to thread the path even when it's laid out right in front of you.
I understand if Aragorn hesitated to take up that responsability. He would sacrifice his own life any time for the cause he believed in, but to take on the position as a leader and be forced to make decisions that would send other people to their deaths.. that takes courage.
As a King or even at the very moment he would accept his royal heritage his life would change forever. He would constantly be carrying the burden of responsability towards his ancestors and towards those who believed in Isildur's Heir. But I also think it shows Aragorn's courage that he accepts his fate, takes on the heavy responsability and stands up and fights.

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What do you exactly mean with your questions?? (I know I'm really stupid but I don't quite get what you're referring to.. ) but for the rest I can only agree with ya.

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I think Aragorn was a lot more accepting of his fate in the books than in the movies. In the movies many people reference him by saying things like "He turned from that path long ago." It's as if he had no want whatsoever of being king.
Here I'll have to agree with Eä. I think if Aragorn had been born into a family that was all ready ruling Gondor he would have accepted his fate easier. But the fact that one of his ancestor's has pretty much caused all this chaos and war weighs on him very heavily and he feels that he is not fit to rule.
As the story progress's and he begins taking a more leading role he realises that he is not Isildur and therefore he is able to accept being the rightful king.

I totally agree, I think he was partly ashamed of how his ancestor Isildur had not been capable of destroying the Ring when he had the chance, and he did not feel worthy of ruling. But yes, as soon as he came to the realization that he was NOT Isildur, he could accept his rightful throne.

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Sorry (again) I was referring to your first questions actually..

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Finally!!! I was going through all the LotR-related boards from the top to find this thread. I knew you had responded Fíriel and I wanted to reply.

Anyway, the question: "Isn't it always easier to follow leaders...?" was the first thought that came to my mind after reading through the thread, and this was what I based my post on.
I don't know if it neccessarily applies to our hero, Aragorn, but for many people it may be easier to devote themselves completely to something if they are told so by a leader they respect and honour. Somehow it does make life easier to pass on all responsability to another trusting him or her to make the right decisions and the all you have to think about is to carry out these decisions.
I'm sure Aragorn would have followed any captain of Gondor without hesitating, he would have done anything to defend the White City and gladly have given his life for the victory. He is a soldier, a warrior who fought for the cause, but it wasn't until later he acknowledged his fate and accepted that his place was to lead.

I'm sorta rambling and I'm not sure I made my point any clearer... I'm sorry, if this makes it more confusing then please just stick to my previous post!

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Oh now I understand it finally. It didn't make it ore confusing at all Thanks Eä

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Well, when me and Nie where both Very young, We listened to Lotr On tapes....But we both Remember them saying that Strider was the son of Gandalf.... and gandalf said, (not exact words)" look for my son at the inn"..we both remember it.... It's really strange...

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