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Author:  Caunion cyn Britannia [ June 28th, 2006, 6:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Gollum and Kreacher
Has anyone realized that Kreacher in some respect is simliar to Gollum? Both are old, wears loinclothes, quite insane, resentful of their current "masters", speaks in third person, and mubmles darkly to himself.
Author:  Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ June 28th, 2006, 7:39 pm ]
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oh yes ... for sure :yes: ... thanks for pointing that out, Caunion ... AND theyre both extremely annoying too :yes:
Author:  Herenya [ June 28th, 2006, 10:02 pm ]
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Hm... I've always thought Dobby/Gollum because, I just did. :p And I probably hadn't read about Kreacher when I knew about Gollum.

Besides, I don't think Gollum's annoying. He's not my favourite character in the film (I don't know why; I don't have a problem with the way he is acted/portrayed I just think he didn't live up to my mental image) but I remember I was very attached to him when I was reading the Two Towers.

*moves to misc LotR* It's got some connection, it can go there. ;)
Author:  Fíriel_18190 [ June 29th, 2006, 3:00 am ]
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yeah there are quite some similarities between these two, but they also have a lot of differences I think..
Author:  Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ June 29th, 2006, 6:18 am ]
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I cant really explain what i'm trying to say, but Gollum was once ... well ... normal and he's not a slave, unlike Kreacher or Dobby.
Author:  Lady Erana [ June 29th, 2006, 6:25 am ]
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^ Gollum's a slave to the ring!

Well, after I watched the 2nd HP movie, I really thought that Dobby is indeed very similar to Gollum/Smeagol.
Author:  Ericadawn [ June 29th, 2006, 7:51 am ]
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Aww, Dobby tries to do good and messes it up whereas Gollum and Kreacher indirectly try to have their masters killed and one succeeds.
Author:  Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ June 29th, 2006, 11:51 am ]
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Oh right ... he was a slave to the ring, but he wasn't originally that way. :yes:
Author:  Larael [ June 29th, 2006, 12:01 pm ]
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There are some really interesting similarities between Kreacher and Gollum that I hadn't really noticed till you mentioned it now. I wonder if JKR was inspired by the character Gollum when she wrote about Kreacher.
Author:  Kess [ June 29th, 2006, 12:30 pm ]
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Wouldn't suprise me, JKR copies tonnes.
Author:  Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ June 29th, 2006, 12:31 pm ]
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I kind of figured that JKR copied aLOT - and i mean ALOT - from LotR ... I actually had a site about it once, even ... i'll see if i can dig up my proof, but its true ...

[[please dont kill me, HP fans!!! :hide: ]]
Author:  Fíriel_18190 [ June 29th, 2006, 2:08 pm ]
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^
yes please don't kill me too, but I agree with Haldir. I also noticed that, but of course there also many differences between these two stories, no doubt.
Author:  Ms.Gamgee [ June 29th, 2006, 6:24 pm ]
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Yeah, I had noticed that about Kreacher and Gollum.

As for the previous posts ^, you can't really blame her, Tolkien set a completely new foundation for literature and the world of fantasy. Even people like George Lucas took a little from Tolkien.
Author:  Eowyn Arelen [ June 29th, 2006, 8:13 pm ]
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*cough* I agree haldir dearest sister... and in a way we almost have proof... its not solid.... but oh well. JKR was/is a HUGE Tolkien fan! She is quoted saying how much she loved LOTR and tolien's work!
Author:  Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ June 29th, 2006, 8:17 pm ]
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Wow .. but i mean ... it's definitely alright for her to use some ideas from Tolkien obviously [[he's an inspiration!]] but she did use aLOT in a VERY unsubtle way, which was a bit stupid of her.
Author:  Fíriel_18190 [ June 30th, 2006, 3:13 am ]
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^
I have to agree again.. I didn't know she was a Tolkien fan though, but Tolkien indeed is a great inspiration :-D
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