I do think I did say it was partially for that reason.

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He may have liked the thought of their birthdays being on the same day, but I think the main factor was that Frodo was a different sort of hobbit, who loved doing things. Also, in answer to a question a ways back, Frodo lived in Buckland before Bilbo adopted him. That's why he chose to "live" at Crickhollow in the first book, because it would seem natural for him to return to the place he was raised.

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Frodo's Guide, Okay, let me see now what all that I can answer or add to here... Frodo indeed lived in Buckland and we know that due to the quote that Nurrantiel has allready given. Frodo lived with Old Master Gorbadoc (I think?) and he lived among the "Bucklanders". If you want an exact place as to where he lived before going to live with Bilbo, he lived in Brandy Hall.
As for why Bilbo adopted Frodo...it never says flat out why he did so. However Bilbo does speak of their birthdays being on the same day and it also says that Frodo was "...Bilbo's favorite...". So it is possable that Bilbo had more than one reason for adopting Frodo. Personaly I think that Bilbo adopted him mainly but perhaps not only because Bilbo cared for Frodo. Another possable reason is that he may have wanted an heir. I have very little evidence to back this theory up though. However Bilbo seemed to have a dislike of the Sackville-Baggins or at least was not very keen on them. Therfore perhaps he didn't want them to posses Bag End and adopted Frodo so that Frodo (his favorite cousin) could come to own Bag End insteed of the Sackville-Baggins when the time came. Just a thought...
By the way, Ivreniel, Great job at explaining the genealogy of Baggins. A fellow genealogist? Well, I'm very impressed. (high fives Ivreniel) It is very confussing to track family histories especialy when it comes to hobbits.

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well that has cleared up quite a few queries but i'm interested to know more of the adoption again. I think the idea that Bilbo was seeking an heir is a very good idea as to why Frodo was adopted as he states something about choosing Frodo for his own selfish purposes but there is still so much to find out!

I want to know more about why the rivalry between the bagginses and sacville-bagginses is exsisting. I also would like to know more oppinions on the sacville-bagginses themselves. How do you feel about them and are they just in their actions towards Bilbo etc.?

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Ah, well sorry that I couldn't have been of more help.
The way I take it the main reason for their fighting is over Bag End. As for why they would fight over such...probabley because Bag end in Bagshot Row was one of the nicest places in the Shire and because they wanted to one up the other. As for why they would want to one up the other...I saw it as just as they were cousins and cousins do that. Take it from somebody who has over 51 cousins (and those are just cousins that are under 18 ), cousins do indeed try to one up the other(s). Cousins are also easily turned against one another if there is favortism. So perhaps there was favortism farther back for Bilbo over the Sacville Bagginses that wasn't mentioned in the book. For another thing they probabley didn't like the fact that Bilbo favored Frodo over them. They had known Bilbo for alot longer and saw it as they had put up with him long enough and deserved to own Bag End. They saw it as Frodo coming in with no right and taking what was theirs. (shrugs) I'm not sure that that really was what you meant by wanting to know more of why the rivalry but there it is. lol
You want opinions on the Sacville Bagginses? Well, now that one is one of the things that I feel certain that I can do. I seem to be able to give my opinion even when others don't want it....I should be good at this. (laughs)
Personaly I liked them. They added some humor to the books and I liked that alot. However I will admit that I don't think that the way they treated Frodo and most of the other people was right. Just funny. However though greed it may have been...I don't think that I would have wanted Frodo coming in up out of the blue and taking what I thought to be mine either. So to at least some extent I liked them.
What do you think them, Frodos-Guide (and everybody else as well )?

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No that was a fantastic help! thank you!

I personally don't agree with the attitudes they have towards Frodo. I think he had been through enough and for the Sacville-Bagginses to oppose him and take out their anger on him was simply not fair, however their attitudes towards Bilbo are justified for the reasons stated by yourself...the fact that he was so determined not to allow Bag-End to go to the Sacville-Bagginses that he was willing to adopt Frodo just to stop them from retrieving what was rightfully theirs. I think they should have had more anger towards Bilbo for doing that. I think that's probably another reason for Bilbo stating he adopted Frodo for selfish purposes.

I would like to know why Bilbo is so determined not to allow them to posses Bag-End...surley there is more to it than juts wanting to be better than one another though...was there somekind of profit or heritage involved??

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they are based on the sackville wests who tolkien did not get on well with.

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Wow! Now that's a coincidence and a half with my surname being West...lol, but i'm sure i would have gotten on with Tokien. I know West is a popular surname but it would be soo amazing if i was somehow desended from the Sacville-Wests. That's fascinating! Where do you find this kind of information or is it your common knowledge lol.

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a friend of mine read about it.

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That's funnee. That would be a serious koinkydink. I'd be jealous.

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It would be amazingly cool though...lol.

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Hey, that reminds me of something completely UN-related to LOTR!!! I was reading J.K. Rowling's biography, and she said that she got the idea of the Potters from an actual Potter family that she knew, and she even got Professor Snape's name from either a teacher or a neighbor that she disliked.

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Sacville-Baggins rock! I love Lobelia, she has an attitude and took out some of Saruman's men with an umbrellla!

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ha well that there thing about the umbrella seems pretty full of attitude! Wow!

I just don't like their whole perpective on life. Thinking that they themselves are the true bagginses, depsite the fact that Bilbo and Frodo both actually did something with their lives and saved Middle-Earth from a terrible fate!

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