Okay, there's no thread about them.

Anyone care to fill me in in their history?

i.e. why did they give Frodo to Bilbo etc.

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Well...here's some of what I know about them:

~Otho Sackville-Baggins was Bilbo's first cousin and closest relative. He and his wife, Lobelia, were entitled to Bag End after Bilbo's death, that is, until Bilbo adopted Frodo as his heir.

~They didn't actually "give" Frodo to Bilbo, so I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that. Bilbo adopted Frodo and invited him to live with him at Bag End when he was 99 and Frodo was still in his tweens. I'd have to go look up exactly how many years that was after Frodo's parents died...but I'm pretty certain Frodo didn't live with the Sackville-Baggins before that point.

Does that help?

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In addition to what Aldawen said, when Bilbo first disappear (and was assumed dead) in The Hobbit, the Sackville-Baggins thought Bad End was theirs. Then Bilbo came back, and they didn't get it. So they were even more bitter when Bilbo just kept on living and then when Frodo was adopted, it meant they would probably never get it. So close yet so far...

But why do they have such a rivalry going on?

Oh! This is just totally enhancing the fact i don't know that much about Frodo. So is he not related to the Bagginses by blood?

Why did Bilbo choose to adopt Frodo then?

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Yes, Frodo is related to the Baggins by blood (his last name is Baggins...), but the Sackville-Baggins were more closely related to Bilbo and therefore they were supposed to inherit Bag End.

Frodo's grandfather and Bilbo's father were first cousins. I think that would make them first cousins twice removed -- but I'm not sure...

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oh i thaught Frodo just took the name [hah lol took!] lol anyways took the name baggins becasue he was adopted.,..well that was the impression i got from the other person, so i dnt understand this removed stuff...
Why did Bilbo choose to adopt him though and what happened to his poarents. If Bilbo brought Frodo up like a son, then surley Frodo would have a bigger chance of inheritance! u know what i mean?

I know Bilbo left Bag end to Frodo in the movie and i know the Sacville-Bagginses went crazy about that but im still a lil confused.

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Frodo's father (Drogo Baggins) and mother (Primula Brandybuck) were drowned in a boating accident. I'm not sure where he lived before Bilbo adopted him. All I know is that Bilbo was 99 when he took in Frodo...so that would make Frodo...um...21.

Oh, and as for how they were related, I found this quote from the first chapter of FotR:

"You see: Mr. Drogo, he married poor Miss Primula Brandybuck. She was our Mr. Bilbo's first cousin on the mother's side. (her mother being the youngest of the Old Took's daughters); and Mr. Drogo was his second cousin. So Mr. Frodo is his first and second cousin, once removed either way, as the saying is, if you follow me...and he went out boating on the Brandywine River; and he and his wife were drownded, and poor Mr. Frodo only a child and all." ~ Gaffer Gamgee

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aaah yes, i can completley remember reading that but I still to this day have no idea whatsoever as to what on earth it means! What is all of this stuff about being removed about and how is it possible to be a first and second cousin and who's mother's side and all that jazz?? Can anyone inform me in a simple way to the answer to this?

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Umm...no.

Do you think seeing a family tree would help? I know there's one in Appendix C at the back of RotK (If you have the Houghton Mifflin edition...)

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Yes, family trees in the appendices will help clear everything up.
As to removed. Let me give an example.

My dad has an aunt with a son called Mike. Thus, Mike and my dad are cousins, or more specifically, 1st cousins.
Now, my dad marries my mom and has me. I'm related to Mike through my dad, and Mike is my cousin too--but he's born 1 generation before me. Thus Mike is my dad's 1st cousin and Mike is my 1st cousin 1 time removed (1 generation back). Assuming one day I have a child, that boy or girl will be Mike's 1st cousin 2 times removed.

Now, what about 2nd, 3rd, 4th cousins?
Well, Mike's daughter and I are 2nd cousins.
Mike's daughter's children and my children would be 3rd cousins-- but Mike's daughter's children and I would be 2nd cousins 1 time removed.

See the differences.
Removed = Generations back.

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Thanks sooo much! You have cleared it all up for me now!
Ok but anyway...more about Frodo...

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Didn't Bilbo adopt Frodo partially cuz their birthdays were on the same day?

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Umm...I seriously doubt that it was for that reason exclusively.

Frodo was the oldest of Bilbo's younger cousins and I guess they just sort of connected.

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Second paragraph of Chapter one:
"'You had better come and live here, Frodo my lad,' said Bilbo one day; 'and then we can celebrate our birthday-parties comfortably together.'"

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Yeah, but I wouldn't think he would adopt him for just that reason. I was just sort of a cool coincidence.

At least, that's my take on it.

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I agree. I think that Frodo's just the cousin that's most 'adventurous'.

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