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Post subject: This has always mystified me... Posted: June 26th, 2006, 8:27 pm |
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Okay, so you know at the Doors of Moria, when the fellowship is trying to figure out the password to get in, Gandalf all of a sudden gets it and then says that Merry had the answer? Well, WHEN does Merry say anything? I've never found anywhere where Merry says anything about the elvish word for friend! And I've read LotR 8 times! Anybody want to enlighten me?
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Post subject: Posted: June 26th, 2006, 8:28 pm |
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I was looking at that part today and was thinking the same thing, maybe he said something about the poem giving the answer? I am not sure but he never does talk about the elvish word...
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Post subject: Posted: June 26th, 2006, 9:57 pm |
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Merry asks something along the lines of, "What do you suppose it means by <i>Speak friend, and enter</i>?
And then Gandalf says, "Merry, of all people was on the right track."
I'm not quite sure. lol
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Post subject: Posted: June 27th, 2006, 9:40 am |
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But how does that mean he's on the right track? ANY of the fellowship could have asked that question!
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Post subject: Posted: June 27th, 2006, 10:14 am |
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It was the way he said it. It gave Gandalf the idea that the password was the Elvish equivalent of 'friend'. Emphasis counts for a lot you know 
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Post subject: Posted: June 27th, 2006, 12:21 pm |
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I'd totally forgotten about this part in the book. Wasn't it Frodo who said Merry's line in the movie?
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Post subject: Posted: June 27th, 2006, 12:41 pm |
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No, Frodo says,"What's the elvish word for friend?" in the movie, which isn't a line from the book, but it is Frodo who figures it out in the movie, not Merry. So yes and no 
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Post subject: Posted: June 27th, 2006, 8:24 pm |
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But in the movie Merry does say, "What do you suppose that means?" So it's like a shortened version of the book line.
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Post subject: Posted: June 28th, 2006, 12:11 pm |
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In fact it's really strange that Frodo solves the riddle in the movie. Maybe it was just to simple for Gandalf? 
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Post subject: Posted: June 29th, 2006, 11:45 am |
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Yes, I think Gandalf was just overanalysing it.
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Post subject: Posted: June 29th, 2006, 12:02 pm |
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Yes, and if you've watched the audio cast commentary (which I have) Dominic Monaghan mentions that he asked the script people why it was Frodo who gets the answer and not Merry, who does it in the book, and they said they just needed to focus more on Frodo, because he was the main character. I don't think it's strange at all; Frodo was familiar with elvish to a certain degree and he wasn't in the habit of solving difficult riddles all the time, like Gandalf. I think they made a good choice to do it like that in the film.
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Post subject: Posted: June 29th, 2006, 2:29 pm |
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If all of you remember The Hobbit, it does seem like Hobbits are quite good at riddles. Well, if they weren't, Bilbo would have been eaten and the ring would have remained with Gollum!
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Post subject: Posted: June 30th, 2006, 7:24 am |
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I think that Gandalf, who is very wise and old and all that stuff, was looking too far for that riddle. Maybe he was looking for a far more complicated answer, and he didn't realise that the answer could also be 'easy'...
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Post subject: Posted: June 30th, 2006, 3:24 pm |
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Yup, as I said, he overanalysed it. Happens to me all the time. I'll be trying to figure out an answer and it will be right there in my face. 
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Post subject: Posted: July 9th, 2006, 10:07 pm |
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Quote: I think that Gandalf, who is very wise and old and all that stuff, was looking too far for that riddle.
Yeah, Gandalf says after the doors open that it was "too simple for learned lore-master in these suspicious times."
I think it's in the way Merry says it.
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Post subject: Posted: July 11th, 2006, 9:41 am |
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Quote: Frodo was familiar with elvish to a certain degree.
Yes, but he doesn't know the Elvish word for friend! 
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