I was not saying that strictly, what i meant was that Sauron was a maiar who could easily control men thru their rings, so why could a being more mighty than the Eldar, such as Sauron not do the same to them?

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"This is the hour of the Shire-folk, when they arise from their quiet fields to shake the towers and counsels of the Great. Who of all the Wise could have foreseen it? Or, if they are wise, why should they expect to know it, until the hour has struck? "

Hah. I found the reference.



Gandalf says that talking to Frodo in Rivendell.

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I was close enough Aerandir, I was in th esame sort of area as the quote was really.

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"This is the hour of the Shire-folk, when they arise from their quiet fields to shake the towers and counsels of the Great. Who of all the Wise could have foreseen it? Or, if they are wise, why should they expect to know it, until the hour has struck? "

Yeah, I was just backing up my earlier statement with evidence from the book, since I couldn't remember where I had found it before.

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I remembered the statement m8. Just couldnt rememcer the reference lol. Thanx.

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"This is the hour of the Shire-folk, when they arise from their quiet fields to shake the towers and counsels of the Great. Who of all the Wise could have foreseen it? Or, if they are wise, why should they expect to know it, until the hour has struck? "

Without a doubt the One ring is much more powerful than the three rings bore by the elves and the other rings bore by any other race! That is of course a common fact in Middle-Earth knowlegdge! We are informed in the movies, also at the beginning, with regards to the power of the one ring!

The one ring was forged in the fires of mount doom by Sauron, who was a deciever. He created the ring to control all other rings and all other races. That was what made him so powerful.

The last alliance of men and elves were the ones who were able to succumb to the power of the ring, and they were therefore able to fight for the freedom of Middle-Earth.

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We do not doubt the power of the One Frodos guide. Myself and Darrell were debating whether the Eldar could be drawn into the shadow world like frodo and other people were through the power of the one. Any opinions are valued here so any more thoughts anyone??

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"This is the hour of the Shire-folk, when they arise from their quiet fields to shake the towers and counsels of the Great. Who of all the Wise could have foreseen it? Or, if they are wise, why should they expect to know it, until the hour has struck? "

Are you saying I don't know my stuff? And we know how reliable the movies are with regards to accuracy to Tolkiens story (*draws attention to Faramir, and the numerous other faults*) You cannot say that it is obvious the One is more powerful. It was made to rule, and to rule the other rings. but that doesn't necessarily mean it had more power. The strength of the Three long defied the One.

And look at what the Three created compared to the One. What the one created fell with it. The Three outlasted the One, and what the three helped make lasted beyond the One, and all that the One made! IOt just depends how you measure 'power'. To my deeming, knowledge is more powerful than domination.





But he didn't control all others did he. That was his problem.



And you made a typo there. The Last Alliance were some of the ones who were able not to succumb to the 'power' that Sauron wielded. It wasn't just the ring that drew them. Sauron was strong before he had the Ring. In many ways he was stronger. His downfall wouldn't have been so easy if he hadn't made the ring.

Lol. Really, though, the reason the Ring was more powerful doesn't have anything at all to do with its intent (you said it's because Sauron created it to rule the others). It's because Sauron was a Maia, whereas all of the other rings were created by Elves. Sauron had the greater power to put in his Ring, therefore his Ring was more powerful (at least directly). Indirectly, the Three were greater, I think. The One Ring couldn't preserve Mordor the way Nenya preserved Lorien.

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But the Three were bound to th efate of the One, and when the One was destroyed the Three lost their power. The one is directly more powerful. Also the reason th eElves were able to defy Sauron for so long was that first the rings were hidden. Second, during Saurons rise during the third age he lost the One and his remaining power was not enough to subjugate the power of the wielders and the ring they wielded combined.

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"This is the hour of the Shire-folk, when they arise from their quiet fields to shake the towers and counsels of the Great. Who of all the Wise could have foreseen it? Or, if they are wise, why should they expect to know it, until the hour has struck? "

I've always wondered about this and it's really confused me. I just assumed it was because it was Sauron's ring and he commanded it...

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