My second banner is from the same thing as the first. It is a screenshot from an RPG PC game called Oblivion. (Elder Scrolls IV) I would recommend it to anyone. As you can see from the banners I'm a huge fan. Cyrodiil is the name of the province it is set in, and the name of the main city, which is also known as the Imperial City.

If you want to find out more go to the elder scrolls website: www.elderscrolls.com I could go on for hours, explaining what it is

Good point Larael. I don't remember if we talked about it in the Tom Bombadil thread, but I certainly like the idea!

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ok that's random, but i'l check it out!

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Lady of the Golden Wood, Galadriel

Tomm Bombadil could be a kinsman of Yavanna, which explains his power over the ring and also the power he wields over the Forest, Nature and the Barrow Wights. Any thoughts? please post back to me!!!!!

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that's very interesting, where did u find it? i might be having a brain block, but i don't remember that.......

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Its not in the books, its just me putting forward a theory as to why Bombadil has such power over nature and the ring. Did tolkien ever resolve Bombadils role truly in the books? Post back with an answer if you have it!!!!

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No, i don't think so, all i could understand from the book is that he has somekind of power over the forest and that he is some kind of extra-ordinary person...if he is a person...but that's all i understand from the book, i like your theroy! it makes sence, as much sence as it can! lol!

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EonwesBestMate, I've always been under the impression that Tom Bombadil is just a really powerful Maia. He doesn't fit the descriptions of any of the Valar, so he can't be one of them (they were pretty much the greatest Maiar, given rank and position over the others, and a cool new name). He's certainly not mortal, so he's not a dwarf, hobbit, or human, and I think we can all agree that he's not an elf, either. Since there's no chance at all that he's some creature of Morgoth's (that's actually a pretty funny thought, lol), it can be assumed that he is a Maia. He's an awesome character, whatever he is.

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Aerandir, Since it says in LOTR that Bombadil was once master of a forest that stretched into Rohan and Dunland, perhaps He was a Maia sent to be a master over the Ents. This would explain his powers and also his power over the ring. This would mena he was a servant of Yavanna and would possibly satisfy all parties and promote more debate. But what do you think? Please post back!
Namarie!

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"This is the hour of the Shire-folk, when they arise from their quiet fields to shake the towers and counsels of the Great. Who of all the Wise could have foreseen it? Or, if they are wise, why should they expect to know it, until the hour has struck? "

Personally I don't feel he fits into any of Tolkiens other races. He is his own race. He does not fit into any others, though maia is closest. He is an enigma, and ever decent fantasy has one, whether it is an accidental flaw, or an intentional one. In Tom Bombadil's case, he was an intentional flaw. Tolkien created him to be different. Seperate from everything else in those lands. For that reason, whilst I have looked and tried to fit him in with a race, i have never done it. part because he doesn't fit anywhere entirely, and partly because it just feels wrong to consider him to be part of an entity other than himself!

What about his purpose? All the children of Iluvatar had soem form of purpose and probably so did Bombadil, despite his uniqueness of body and form.

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"This is the hour of the Shire-folk, when they arise from their quiet fields to shake the towers and counsels of the Great. Who of all the Wise could have foreseen it? Or, if they are wise, why should they expect to know it, until the hour has struck? "

This is a completley wild guess but I would think that it was because Sauron is filled with so much power that he is able to dominate all life [we are told he pours in his cruelty, malice and will to dominate all life into this ring] and therefore part of him is in the ring so he can succumb his own power...As others in Middle-Earth do not have a connection with the ring, if they try it on they become connected to the dark lord and therefore have to obey to his law poured into the ring [hence the fact Frodo becomes much more tempted to give the nazgul the ring on weathertop but manages to escape it's power by yanking it off.

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But nowhere is it said he is a child of Iluvatar. I personally beleive that he may not have been created in the same fashion as any other. It is possible he spawned himslef. Or maybe, he is the child of Nature itself, seeing as he knows so many of its secrets, and understands it so well. Maybe he is the embodiment of Nature!

And yet, was not nature the child of the song of the Ainur, in which the Valar and Iluvatar were the creators? Would this not make Bombadil a child of Iluvatar?

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That's the impression I get as well. Tolkien wrote other poetry including him, but I can get no more hints from those than I can from LotR. All we see in the poetry is how sassy Goldberry was, how Bombadil showed mastership over her and wooed and won her, and how hobbity-happy he was. His power seems that of a maia, or different. His knowledge is certainly that of a maia, his power over nature reminds me a bit of Elrond (remember how in the books it's elrond who commands the fords?), and his nature is reminicent of a hobbit. I wonder if he was involved in their creation? Nah, that seems to far-fetched.
But one thing is certain, he and Sauron definately share the ability to not turn invisible when the ring is on. To some extend or another, both are Masters.

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There is just so much t say about this isn't there?

Bombadil...now there's an interesting topic.

Is he like god of Middle-Earth...I mean how could anyone be around since before time?

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