This has gotten a bit off-topic. First Sauron then Tom. So this thread is mainly about the invisibility that the ring gives certain wearers?

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I htink that Sauron does not turn invisible as he is only being restored to his former strength and the invisibility is only for other dreatures like elves,men etc and I think that Bombadil, because of the degree of "discipline" and mastery over himself, he can bend the ring to his will or summat like that.Any thoughts? Post back!

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I would agree with you. I think Sauron has a certain power over the ring. He did create it afterall.

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Yes. Bombadil has been around since before time, as we all know, and therefore, he can find a way to surpass the evil effects of the ring [including the invisibility] because he has seen much evil and is very wise.

Sauron created the ring himself. The idea of turning invisible with the ring on , is that you are taken into a different world, although the world around you remains the same. You are taken into the world of evil [hence the fact we always see saurons eye or we see the faces of the Nazgul on weathertop]. The idea of the ring is to bring you closer to the dark lord. He cannot be brought closer to himself can he? The ring calls to it's master. It helps him to discover facts about the carrier of the ring, which is why Saruman discovers the the ring-bearer is a halfling. Thanks to the incident at the Prancing Pony.

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You technically don't turn invisible. You just change 'worlds'. You leave the normal world (the world of light I believe it is called) and enter the shadow world. Only mortal beings are made invisible. And only to other mortals. Some beings, ie. elves and maiar, exist in both worlds, and therefore are not made invisible, and see creatures in both planes. Sauron, being a maia, was not made invisible. Also, he had mastery over the ring, as it is part of him, so he has control over its effects. the same can be said for Tom. He had mastery, and therefore was not affected by the ring.

Darrell, you are a right nit picker m8. Also elves could be made "invisible" because although against seen and unseen they have great power, they have not the power to bend the ring to their wills. That power, I believe lies in the Maiar and the Valar. Also tom but ihtink that elves as well as others are subject to this change. However, the Eldar have knowledge of the rings evil and cannot be corrupted easily therefore it si unlikely that one would try to wield the ring like men would lol.
Any thoughts? please post back.

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"This is the hour of the Shire-folk, when they arise from their quiet fields to shake the towers and counsels of the Great. Who of all the Wise could have foreseen it? Or, if they are wise, why should they expect to know it, until the hour has struck? "

Elves could not be made 'invisible' because they exist in both worlds at the same time, and therefore cannot leave one and enter the other. If you notice, neither Galadriel nor Elrond are 'invisible'. They bear rings of similar power, and yet are not made invisible. Nor would they become invisble if they wore the One ring.

However, they may still be corrupted by it! You may notice how close Galdariel can to succumbing to its pull. they would still have tried to wield it, but perhaps a little more warily than a man.

Their rings are not as powerful as the one as the one has the power to be the master over them all. The power of the nine rings of men ,seven dwarf rings and the elven rings could not be surpassed by one of the elven rings. Therefore it is possible that the extra power allows the wearer to enter the shadow realm. Also I never said t e elves were incorruptable as their are examples of this such as Maeglin I just said they are harder to corrupt than mortal men are and hence less likely to succumb to the power of the ONE.
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"This is the hour of the Shire-folk, when they arise from their quiet fields to shake the towers and counsels of the Great. Who of all the Wise could have foreseen it? Or, if they are wise, why should they expect to know it, until the hour has struck? "

My point was that the elves would not become invisible, as they exist in both worlds, therefore being unable to leave on for the other. And just because the One is more powerful, doesn't mean it can change this.

Pehaps since they live in both worlds, the one could upset the balance and send them into the shadow world whooly. But no elf wore the one, so we will never know. Any in no way are the Three as powerful as the ONE!! No way!!!!

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'fraid I can't agree with that first sentence. As far as I can see, there is no way that elves could be forced wholly into the shadow world.

And it depends how you define power. If you think power is domination, and the ability to be the head of huge armies and countries, then yes, the One is more powerful.

The elves made the three for knowledge, not for strength. In that regard, the three are more powerful, as they provide knowledge on which to build, and to protect. The One is something on which fortresses, and empires are built on, and once it is gone, all that was built on it is lost. With the three what was built with the knowledge they aided lingered past thier leaving, albeit diminishing slowly.

Just a note here (I'm probably not going to add more after this, because you two seem to be enjoying debating amongst yourselves):

Only the Elves who had been to Valinor existed in both realms, I believe. Those who had seen the light of Aman. I don't remember where exactly I read it...the Encyclopedia of Arda comes to mind. I'll try and find the source, if I can, and post back.

So while Glorfindel and Galadriel exist in both realms at once, Legolas, for instance, doesn't.

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I have measured the power of the one in that it dominates the three, seven and nine. Ok, its strength lay in domiation and the three was in preservation but didnt tolkien write
"one ring to rule them all, one ring ot find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them."
If you think that the eldar cannot be forced into the shadow world, then please by all means support this with a quote. To me my idea seems entirely reasonable and any one else is welcome to comment on this discussion if they feel, as much or as little as they feel they can contribute.
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"This is the hour of the Shire-folk, when they arise from their quiet fields to shake the towers and counsels of the Great. Who of all the Wise could have foreseen it? Or, if they are wise, why should they expect to know it, until the hour has struck? "

The One doesn't 'dominate' the other rings, they merely became bound to its fate.

I think that your theory is perfectly reasonable, but in my opinion, it does not match what Tolkien wrote. I'm not saying it is wrong , we can never know for certain, but I feel that it is incorrect.

At the moment, I cannot find a quote to support my views on these matters. However, if Elves exist in both worlds, it makes sense they cannot be forced from one to another.

And if you could post where you found that info Aerandir, it would be great

That info is in FOTR in the Chapter in the house of Elrond I believe Darrell, Alos the Ringwraiths are dominated by Sauron through their rings, does this not show that the One can dominate all others???

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"This is the hour of the Shire-folk, when they arise from their quiet fields to shake the towers and counsels of the Great. Who of all the Wise could have foreseen it? Or, if they are wise, why should they expect to know it, until the hour has struck? "

I know that the ring dominates others. However, the ringwraiths were men, not elves! My point only refers to elves!