Okay, I guess "feeble" is a better descriptor. And you are correct, it's hard to measure up to Arwen & Aragorn, so there may be a little bias on my part.

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Nothing wrong with a little bias. We all have them, whether we admit it or not. I'm partial to Aragorn/Arwen myself. I don't like it or understand it when people want Aragorn and Eowyn to be together.
Now, just out of curiousity, since you don't like Eowyn and Faramir ending up together, how would you have it end? How would you have changed what happened to Eowyn and Faramir to make it better, in your opinion. Just wondering about this.

It's not that I don't think that Faramir, and Eowyn should not be together. I just meant that it she seemed to have gone from being in "love" with Aragorn, and was so depressed over there inability to be together, that she seemed to have wanted to give up her life (No, I don't mean she was suicidal). Then over a brief span of the book, she and Faramir are an item.

I guess it lends itself to the fact that, like Tolkien said, the book is too short. There wasn't enough writing given to show the reader how their relationship could really blossom, and seem less contrived. IMHO!

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"I am Anduril, who was Narsil, let the thralls of Mordor fear me".
Translation of the blade.

I see. I'm sorry. I misunderstood you.

I think I'm still inclined to disagree though. You call it a brief span in the book. It was actually an entire chapter, a long one at that. And there were thiogns that were left out of the chapter, descriptions and such, but we still know that they were together during that time, getting closer and closer every day. I agree that more description would have been nice, but I'm content with the way that Tolkien wrote it.
Also, even if there hadn't been that long period of time they were together, I still think they could have fallen in love in a short space of time. Love at first sight, or something like it. Eowyn and Faramir were one of those couples that was destined to be together. They probably knew it from the first time they saw each other, even if they didn't realize that's what they felt. It was meant to be. They didn't need weeks or months to fall in love, only seconds. Maybe I'm too much of an idealist about this subject, but it's really what I believe.

I sort of disagree. Nevermind, I don't. Now that I think about it...yeah. Eowyn kinda loved Faramir right away, she was just having trouble letting go of Theoden...and Aragorn. And Faramir *does* realise after a while, he cares more for Eowyn than just pitying her.

But I do love how it takes a while for them to get together. I'm not a big fan of "love at first sight" (Aragorn and Arwen are an exception).

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i think it's meant to be like eowyn has this sudden moment of revelation when she finally cottons on to the fact that she only wanted aragorn because she thought he could lift her above "the mean things that crawl on the earth" and that she's actually in love with faramir.

it's all about the moment when "the heart of eowyn changed or else at last she understood it better. and suddenly her winter passed, and the sun shone her" - the word "suddenly" would imply that tolkien meant it to be a really quick turnaround.

i think it was a case of her understanding her heart better, rather than it changing - i think she'd been falling in love with faramir for a while, but her mind had become so fixated on aragorn and on dying in battle that it wasn't paying any attention to what her heart was doing. she'd been letting her head rule (probably a sort of defence mechanism to try and protect her heart, though it didn't work), but then at last she let her heart take over and that's when she realised her love for faramir.

A very nice post Eowyn. I really like the way you put your thoughts, adn i agree with them. Eowyn didn't have a chagne of heart, but she had a sudden revelation and understood her heart better. I think that's very accurate and a very nice way to put it.

I think Aragorn and Arwen are perfect ^_^ And I also think Eowyn and Faramir are good for each other too It would just be so different the other way around.

I totally agree with you Larael. Aragorn and Arwen are perfect for each other. *sighs*

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i would rather have Aragorn and Arwen! They look so sweet together! Eowyn just doesnt look right for Aragorn!

~Kelly x

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To you the truth, I'm a little iritated that the Gorn man didn't tell Eowyn to back off, he was already taken, but then, it kinda shows you that Arwen wasn't really that important to him.

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*ahem* Excuse me? Arwen not that important to Aragorn? Not to be rude, but are you mad? Their love story is one of the most beautiful love stories ever. They both loved each other and meant the world the each other. Did you you ever think that maybe Aragorn was kind and he was simply afraid of hurting Eowyn? If you think about it, Eowyn was already depressed and had little faith because of the lies told to her by Wormtongue. Her city was in constant threat. Aragorn was kind to her (not to mention that he's quite good looking ) and she fell for him. Also, I think she saw glory and honor in Aragorn which she admired and wished to attain. But Aragorn probably didn't want to hurt her when she was already hurting so deeply. What a lot of people overlook is that Eowyn was a person too, with feelings. She loved someone who was already taken. That's hard to deal with, as most people know, as they have experienced it themselves. If Aragorn had told her up front to "back off" it would have hurt her.
So. Eowyn = . Aragorn = kind. Aragorn + Arwen = true love. To sum everything up.
Sorry about the rant. I get enthusiastic.

It's ok, you made me rethink this a little...Thank you for the explanation.

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*grimaces*Looking back at my explanation, it's a terrible one, but if it made you re-think it a little, I guess that's a good thing. I hope I didn't sound mean. It's just that......... how could Aragorn not care about Arwen? That's just......... imposssible. He loved her. He would have given up everything for her. He did give up so much for her. Just because he didn't tell Eowyn to "back off" doesn't mean he didn't love Arwen as much.

For some reason, A/A never seemed very real to me. But I think faramir was perect for Eowyn, so I don't really mind A/A.

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^Why didn't it seem real to you? Because they were so perfectly, completely in love? I know. It seems like that only happens in the fairy tales. I guess to be in love like Aragorn adn Arwen were would feel slightly unreal, but what's crazy about it is that it is real, sort of. You see, Aragorn and Arwen's story is based on Beren and Luthien's story. Tolkien thought of himself of Beren and his wife as Luthien. It's even written on both of their graves. So you see, love like that is possible in real life, even if it doesn't seem like it.
I like Faramir and Eowyn too though. I think their love was almost as prefectly unreal as Aragorn and Arwen's.