thanks for the warning tinuviels tears
ill try to remember that

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No problem. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound rude or anything. I just don't want you to get in trouble. We all do it sometimes. Not a huge deal or anything. It's just that the mods get mad when you do it frequently.

Ent water makes you get taller

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I love how Merry and Pippin drink it and become two of the tallest hobbits in history.

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What is it they say to Bilbo at the end of ROTK? "If you're going to beat the Old Took, why shouldn't we beat the Bullroarer?" Something like that. It stays with me for some reason. i think it shows a lot of true Merry and Pippin spirit. <3

I agree with you Tinuviel!

There are many things throughout the trilogy that really show Merry and Pippin's spirit. Drinking the Ent Draught is just one of them.

^ teehee. You called me Tinuviel. That's cool. Most people just call me TT, but I really like being called Tinuviel, especially because of who Tinuviel was. It makes me feel special. LOL.

Anyhoodle, back on topic. You're right. We see Merry and Pippin's wonderful spirit many times throughout LOTR. It's kind of a light in the darkness for the readers. That's one thing I liked more about the movies than the books, was that they really played up Merry and Pippin's comedy.

Ok. That was still kind of off topic. Ent Draughts. I've always wondered, how did they get them to be so different? They say that one they drank was more like water, refreshing like, but the one they drank was more earthy and filling. If they both come from the same source, then how can they taste so different? Is it magic? That's always what I kind of assumed. But what are other people's ideas?

There are places in Middle earth, where even the soil has "magical" properties. Remember Galadriel's gift to Sam? A small box of soil / sand which made the trees grow at a fantastic rate. There could be soil of similar properties in Fangorn, through which Ent-drafts are derived.

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It seems that through reading some of Tolkien's other books, such as Morgoth's Ring and The Silmarillion, we find that every species in Middle-Earth has their own "magic" persay. It may not necessarily be the kind of magic we usually think of, like Gandalf's magic, but it is a magic nonetheless.
If this is true, then why should not the Ents have a magic of their own. They are some of the oldest creatures in Arda. With the help of the Elves I believe that over time they could have created their own magic, unconsciencally maybe.
This magic may have found it's way into the water and soil of that land, thus sustaining the Ents characteristics of height and speech.

Just a new thought I'd throw out there...

I think that you're right about every race of Tolkien's having it's own sort of magic. Not magic such as spells and tricks, like Gandalf, but a deeper magic, sort of a part of their very being. The Elves being said to have been close to the Ents, maybe they were just bringing the magic out of them, if that makes any sense.
The thing is, I wonder if the Ents made the Draughts that way, or if they merely took them from different parts of the Entwash and they were different. Or perhaps added certain kinds of soil to some. (I think that's an interesting and probably correct thought about the soil Dumanyu.)
But what an interesting thought that some of their magic just sort of seeped into the earth and the water around them, thus taking on magical properties itself. That seems like a very Tolkienish way for it to happen.
Hang on a moment! You can both be right. So, different soil has different magical properties. Well, who's to say it didn't obtain said magical properties fomr the Ents? I think that is a good way to explain it, since Tolkien never explained it fully in all of his stories.
I'm fearfully sorry if this post doesn't make much sense. I'm pretty tired, and when I'm tired I can't always explain things very clearly. Perhaps you'll all be able to make something of my jargon though.

What if each Ent had a different kind of magic within them, and together this created the Ents magic as a whole?
Concerning the different magical properties of the soils. I think it depends on who lives in that area, and how magical they are. But, you are right Tinuviel. The fact that the Elves poured some of their magic into the Ents makes me believe that it could be the same kind of magic that is in Lothlorien, which was also created by Elves.

An interesting thought. What if each of the ents had their own separate magic? Treebeard certainly seemed more powerful than the other Ents. Maybe that was just because he was older, or maybe it was because he hada stronger magic within him. Hmmm....... something to ponder.
I don't know if the Elves poured magic into the Ents. I always assumed that it was Yavanna, who created them in the beginning. I could be wrong though. I think it was the Elves who taught them to talk though. Maybe the soul of Fangorn was similar to the soil of Lothelorien, but they were subtly different. Or, here's a thought, what if the magic wasn't put there by the Ents of the Elves or anyone, but was put there in the very beginning when Arda was made, and then it kind of awoke to whatever being inhabitated that area? The soil of Fangorn would be good for making Ent Draughts. The soil of Lorien would be good for growing mallorn trees. Even the soil of the shire may have had magical properties, good for growing certain crops and such. Particularly taters. Oh! And the mushrooms! Can't forget those.
Just some thoughts.

Maybe not more power necessarily, but the fact that they are aware of that power. What if that magic is the thing that keeps the Ents talking and walking and thinking? If the Ent knows that the magic is there, they will wish to nurture it and continue to practise speech and such. But, if they do not realise it is there, they will "sleep" and become like other normal trees. Treebeard speaks of that happening several times during TTT.



Ah no, you were right. Yavanna was the one who created the Ents as "shepherds of the trees". Later the Elves teach them the history of the world, and how to walk and talk.



That's a very good thought!! I've actually never thought of that possibility. I'm sure when Yavanna created the forests and the mountains and the rivers she put some amount of magic into them. Maybe even a different magic for each individual place, to make them different.

I love the what you said about magic being the thing that keeps Ents walking and talking. I think everything you said there is good. It makes a lot of sense. I always wondered exactly how the Ents became "Treeish" as Treebeard calls it. This sounds like a good way to explain it.

Yes, Yavanna created the Ents in the beginning to guard the forests from the axes of Aule's dwarves. That way, when trees were cut down, they might have vengeance on the Dwarves by way of the Ents. Obviously, the Dwarves were not the only beings of Middle earth with axes though. I wonder............ the Elves never seemed to cut down any trees. They made their homes by delving into caves and hills. I'm not sure what their tools and weapons were made of, but I'm guessing that none were made of wood. I think that is why the Ents were trusting of the Dwarves, and learned from them. I am sure the Elves also learned much of the Ents though.

Thank you! I think Yavanna must have put some magic into the plants and the things she made from the beginning. I think maybe it justtook some time to awake. In fact, I think I remember it saying that she created everything, but it would keep getting destroyed by Melkor, so she set her creations in place but did not awaken them. I believe they did not come to life so to speak until the coming of the Firstborn of the Children of Iluvatar, the Elves. Maybe then was when the magic started to work.

I think it's interesting that this thread was started about Ent Draughts but we've branched off into a lot of different things to try to figure the question out. We're talking about the entire history of Ents and the creation of Arda here. It's not that it's off topic, it's just that we had to bring it in to the conversation to describe the Ent Draughts. It's amazing how the things in Tolkien's world are all connected.

Good point concerning the fact that she set her creations in place but that they were not "awakened" so to speak. I do believe that the Firstborn of the Children of Iluvatar were the ones to awaken the Ents, and many other creatures of Middle-Earth. It was one of their jobs if I remember correctly.

I think you're right. I believe it was one of the tasks of the Firstborn to awaken what creatures were already in place but not yet alive. Either way, the Ents did not awake until the coming of the Firstborn, and the coming of the Firstborn and the awakening of the Ents are directly connected.
I wonder if the Draughts would have been different for the Ent Wives? I've alwasy been so curious about what happened to them. Tolkien never elaborated on them very much, did he? I wonder if their Draughts would have been different from those of the Ents, if their magic was different. Maybe they didn't grow to be quite so tall as the Ents or something, because they drank different Ent Draughts. Just another puzzle for our puzzlers.