well, see, most of the time my room just gets all my clothes all over the floor because often I'll change my mind about what I'm gonna wear or on the spur of the moment decide to go play hockey, which forces me to change my shirt into one of my play ones, so there's another there on the floor that I don't pick up for a few days.

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Wow, that's just like me, except i take forever picking a oufit for college all the time!

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I often stay in my pajamas until right before lunch... cuz I'm homeschooled.

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Really, i use to be homeschooled.....oh that was such fun.....i loved taking field trips without having to fill in forms and all that!

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hehe...I don't think there's any time of day or month or year that could make cleaning things attractive in my eyes. I do get my chores done because I have to, but I've given up the pursuit of perfection in my living space. A clean house is a sign of a wasted life, I read once.

Not that I don't like general cleanliness. I LOVE organizing things, which is generally why when I clean my room I rearrange things into piles around the floor and my mom gets rather frustrated that I didn't just put them all away somewhere. But why waste good floor space? And I will put things up in my bedroom and bathroom. But vacuming and dish-washing and dusting can be quite dreary when you have to do them.

As for clothes, it's not uncommon for me to change clothes a few times, though nowadays I wake up so early I throw on whatever catches my eye in the closet.


Ah, that happens to me too. I have lots of clothes on my floor for that reason.

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Ugh. Please tell me I'm not the naïvest person on the planet. So, I met this guy at my college and in the past few days we've become really good friends. He's more like a brother to me than anything else. Seriously, we have all kinds of philosophical discussions and he's just an all around cynical, nice guy. The other day, Friday actually, we were walking around campus together before I was going to leave and he asks me why girls keep their nails so long. I didn't think mine were too long so I showed him. Then out of the blue he shows me a cut along his shoulder and says that he got it from a girl he had sex with.

Lord, I nearly dropped dead. I mean, he's 16 for goodness sake! He couldn't believe that I intended to only have sex after marriage, even though that seems to be logical enough for me. Just think of all the things you can contract from that - STDs, HIV, unwanted pregnancy... the list goes on. We're still friends, because that's a very silly thing to part ways over, however I feel so innocent now. Don't people value those sorts of morals anymore, or is that just me?

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Thanks JF-ish-ness. Seriously, I was beginning to think I was the only one who actually cared to keep that sort of thing "safe" in a way. It's not like my religion is telling me to do that, it's my own brain that has set these morals for myself. I just don't understand why other people don't seem to care. *shakes head sadly*

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Me too dearie, me too. *sigh* If only we lived in such a simpler time where such things mattered...

Ah well, you'll find this age is a bit better to live, even after the sexual revolution and the free love. In the 1930s, I don't think they've had an idea what a sexually transmitted disease was, much less how to prevent one. Now we have numerous methods to prevent it. (If only they'll be allowed....) And the idea of "sex" and "marriage" were much different then. There was a lot less emphasis on love and a lot more on property and money. There were no such thing as age of consent, meaning basically any guy could come over and sleep with you, no matter what age you were. And yes, the Victorian Era and the around it had some court and etiquette involved with sex and marriage, but that was only confined to a minor part of the population at the time. Where women had the luxury of choosing a guy to marry. In some cases, a girl could be married off.

And while I completely think premarital sex should be of no consequence except only the people involved in it, believe in free love completely, and strongly abhor the teaching of abstinence in lieu of teaching of use of contraceptives, I don't think we should all have sex with random men and women. Sex is, in itself, a bond between two people who know what they're committing to. But that is why we have the age of consent. It restricts sexual intercourse for minors until they come to an age where they know exactly what they were doing. Then the issue of morality is all up to them. If they feel they know exactly what they're committing to, then it is their choice. All the consequences is theirs now.

I feel that the increase of teen pregnancy and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases is not caused by the sexual revolution or the permissive society (as some parties led us to believe). I feel rather it's the lack of moral and sensible teaching to them, as well as poverty. If teenagers were taught, instead of simply not to have sex, to use contraceptives, I would think that the rate of teen pregnancy would decrease, as well the number of cases of sexually transmitted diseases.

And the thing about marrying before having sex, I think it's an utter bunch of rubbish. If everyone was taught that (no offense to those that believe in that), you'll have an awful lot of false marriages where people married other people for the sake of sleeping with them one time. Personally I think that once you found someone you know that you truly love and that someone feels the same, no law should bind you if you desire to have sex with him or her. Especially when some partnerships can't be married...*mutters venomously regarding the lack of gay rights*

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You have some very good points, many of which I agree with and others of which I don't. [If I agreed with them all that wouldn't be very fun, would it? ]

What you've said is certainly fact and whilst I can understand where you're coming from on this issue, I don't think I will ever become used to the idea of people only in their teenage years having sex. They are old enough to know what they're doing, which is all very well, but to me it seems as though their morals are in the wrong place. That's entirely my opinion though.

If you're personal morals dictate to you that it is okay to partake in such activities then that's fine. I have no personal problem with it whatsoever, as it doesn't involve me in the slightest. However, I miss the time when abstinence before marriage was seen as a virtue. Men and women [who were allowed] marryed for all the right reasons and not just to have sex. That is what love is to me. Sleeping with someone just because you can... that makes me sick. Besides, how often do those sort of relationships last.

As it is, I'll probably go the same route as my mum. My father gave her a promise ring, and when she took it she promised to think about marrying him and to remain abstinent until marriage. That's what I want to do, and if my partner can't wait for me then I know we aren't meant to be.

But is marriage completely necessary? Love doesn't require marriage, now does it? Simply saying "I love you" to someone in front of a judge or a priest or an imam or a rabbi or a bishop or in a ceremony means no more than saying it in front of a sunset or in front of a beautiful scenery or in bed. Love does not change due to the fact you're "married". And while relationships for the sex do not last long, nor does marriage. While some marriages last long and true until death (And I congratulate those who live in such happiness), there are many marriages that end miserably. The divorce rate in America is 50%. (Though it varies between age and number of marriage. See here for more details: http://www.divorcerate.org/)

What is the cause of this? Well, you'll find that the cause for that is the husband or wife has found someone else that would much rather be with. Namely infidelity. Of course, what do you think caused this marriage in the first place? The desire to have sex but only after marriage. So to be honest, the relationships that you described, for only the desire to have sex lasts almost as long as the marriages that are only for the shag.

And of course, I know very well there are marriages created not just for the sex, but because they truly and deeply love each other. But once you think about it, would they not love each other as much as they would if thy weren't married? There are some relationships where the love between them are the strongest one can ever find. But they are not allowed to be bonded together in "holy matrimony" Mainly because of the first part of the phrase. So once you think about it, to quote a famous band, in any relationship or marriage, all you need is love.

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Thank you JF for saying everything you have just say. It encompasses basically everything I have been defending here.

I'd also like to stress that while having children when you're not married is not a bad thing, and should never be viewed as such since all children are gifts, that sort of thing just doesn't fit with the morals I have for myself.

And to you Caunion, I just wanted to say thanks for sticking to what you believe in and arguing your points. I've been too many a discussion where the person resorts to awful comments and comebacks. You, however, are being quite the gentlemanly debator.