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I think all I can do is agree with all of you. I understand that for Harry [and the audience that hasn't read the books] to understand Voldemort's past and the Horcruxes other things will have to be cut, but Snape kills Dumbledore for goodness sake! How much more key to the story line can you get?

Welcome back Lary-Sweet pie. It's really good to see you here again, but don't feel bad about not having posted. I admit it is quite a struggle to keep this active at times and we all have lives outside of the Snape club too.

Yeah, I agree with what you posted in the HBP movie thread, Pandy-Candy. I didn't post there but I skimmed through the thread recently. We need to see some Snape in the trailer... probably some dark-ish sounding one-liner so the non-book audience will be intrigued even more about Snape's true alliances. And like Nurrshey, I highly doubt they'll reveal the identity of the Half-Blood Prince in the trailer... although they may play on and hinting to Harry or Voldemort because very few non-book fans would know enough of who's half-blood and who's not anyway.

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Do you think many non-book readers will go into this movie not knowing that Snape will kill Dumbledore? Obviously, it's been widely publisized outside of the HP fandom as well. I suppose the same question could be asked of the Half-Blood Prince.

I think less people remark on Snape being the Half Blood Prince than they do on his killing Dumbledore. I'm guessing the majority of the people will know about that, but will have forgotten that "oh yeah, he was the Half Blood Prince." Ah yes, more on questionable alliances! I can't wait to see how they pull it off.

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Yes, I believe many - or most - non-book readers will have no clue about the plot, and I'm speaking from what I see and hear among non-HP fans in my network of friends. They will see the movie solely as a piece of entertainment and just wait for the plot to unfold before them while they sit back in the seat at the theater.
I imagine a shot from a scene with Snape and Voldemort or some one-liner from Snape concerning the death of Dumbledore so people will suspect his evil intentions and alliances with the dark side.
Like Nurr and Pandy said, the identity of the Half-Blood Prince isn't crucial to understanding the main plot, being Harry's (personal) fight (and revenge) against Voldemort, but the Half-Blood Prince is a great title because of it's mystery - which Mrs Rowling realised many years ago. So yeah.. I don't think they'll cut the trailer to focus on the HBP, although they probably can't get away with not mentioning it at all..

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Or if they do mention it, it will be to give the impression that Voldy is the HBP, which is exactly what I thought when I first read the book. I was surprised by you're different answers, Eä and Nurr, concerning whether non-book readers would know about Snape killing Dumbledore. I think some will if they have friends who are fans of the books, but the majority may not. It will be interesting to see how everything unfolds.

Oo, a scene with Snape and Voldy would be awesome, though wholly non-canon in HBP. I can't wait to see the scene on the tower with Snape and Dumbledore. A while back there was a tentative script for the HBP movie trailer floating around that had something about Snape pointing his wand at someone at the end of it. Not sure if it was leaked or if it was a fake or not, but it piqued my interest nonetheless.

Well, yeah.. it's just that non HP fans don't actually care about these things... at least in my experience. So whoever dies isn't much of a concern to them on beforehand.

I would love to see the tower scene with Snape and Dumbledore and I think it makes much sense to show part of it, again because it strongly supports the clues that Snape is Voldy's man. But Snape killing Dumbledore is one of the last chapters in the book so wouldn't it be one of the concluding scenes in the second movie? Actually, I don't know.. but since they split the book into two movies they might want to put a trailer together for the first part only?

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Waaaa soo many posts in between, but I agree with all that you guys have said about Snape and the general audience being out of the loop of the deeper plot... They will be focusing too much on Harry and Voldemort that they will forget how important Snape really is in this book... up till now, we have only got glimpses of Snape being 'evil' and then his little bout in the OOtP where he is in the Order and the way he gave hint to Order where Sirius was or whatever... you know the scene... They've got Padfoot in the place where it's hidden...

So this movie will really Challenge Snape and his 'is he good, is he evil...' We all went there, choosing a side, and it was all culminated in this book/movie because of the killing of Dumbledore, the unbreakable vow with Narcissa, the private talks with Draco etc... etc.... so to set up DH... they really need to play it up with Snape..

As for the trailer...for me.... if they just show the potions book with the half-blood prince's name in it will be enough for me... and a little Snapage hinting at his position as DAtDA.... so yea... there is my rant ^^

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Heh, why didn't I think of that? I don't even think non-book readers will even know someone dies in this movie. At least, they won't expect it.

I think you're getting HBP and DH mixed up here, Eä. It's DH that's going to be split in two. So yeah, Snape killing Dumby should be at the end of the movie; possibly one of the last scenes.

I agree with you, Pan, concerning the Half-Blood Prince stuff. As long as we see the potion book and Snape being the HBP is mentioned at the end then I will be happy.

Agreed Pandy, they will have to play on all Snape's (fake) baddy tendencies here to get the real effect of his true identity and alliances in DH.

Sorry, Lary, you're right, I'm getting it mixed up. And I have a confession to make. I'm not a true HP fan.... I'm a Snape fan, which is why this is the only HP related thread I'm post in.. well, except for when a movie comes out then I'll go along with the fan craziness, for for the rest of the time I'm a bad fan..
I do miss some good Snape sites though, I love reading his history and random facts about our hero.

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I'm totally ready to see some more bad*** Snape before we get a huge wave of Snape-y love in DH.

Lol. That's all right, Eä. I'm an HP fan enough for the two of us.

I'm totally ready to see some more bad*** Snape before we get a huge wave of Snape-y love in DH.

Lol. That's all right, Eä. I'm an HP fan enough for the two of us.

And they have to have a ton of almost-evil Snape so that they can build up suspense. Since they love doing that. Which means they have to have a ton of Snape.

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I hope that's how the film makers see it. They've cheated Snape out of every other book, and I think it's about time he got his time to shine.

Okay, sorry for not getting PoA discussion up like I promised. Give me about 5 minutes and I'll have it for sure. EDIT: Yay! True to my word... finally.

General Discussion:
- We are introduced to 2 new magical creatures in this book - the Dementor and the Boggart. What memories do you think are brought to mind when Snape encounters a Dementor? And what do you think is his Boggart?

^ Yes, I know I've brought this question up before, but that was when Eä and I were the only ones around. She's answered this question beautifully and I'd like to see others' opinions on it as well.

Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban - Chapter Nine: Grim Defeat

Quick Summary: Snape has taken over the DADA class because Lupin is out during the full moon. A question Snape asks is how one might identify a werewolf. Of course, no one raises their hand but Hermione. When she calls out the answer he responds with -



The ultimate question:
- What is the reasoning behind Snape being a git for no particular reason? This is one of those points in the book where his statement seems almost wholly uncharacteristic after what we've seen of him in DH.

Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban - Chapter Nineteen: The Servant of Lord Voldemort



Discussion questions:
- Is this really an example of Snape's "schoolboy grudge" against Sirius and Lupin or does Snape really believe Black is a murderer? [Basically, does Snape know about Peter betraying the Potter's and framing Sirius for murder?]
- Did Snape come down to the Shrieking Shack to save Harry, apprehend Lupin/Sirius, or both?

I think that will tide us over for a while. Next up once we've killed this discussion will be GoF!

Aha, great questions. Hm.



Well, as we know, Snape has some dark dealings in his past. And my guess is, becoming a Death Eater requires some sort of "test" other than just saying "hey, I follow you." And I would think that the test would be painful/horrible. I know it's kind of out there, but I think his worst memories would be joing and while he was a member of the Death Eaters and doing horrible things to people. As for his boggart, I have two theories. One is that it is Voldemort finding out that Snape is a spy. I know that would scare me, wondering what Voldemort would do to me once he knew. The other is Lily rejecting him. We know he loved her more than anything, so her rejecting him, hating him, would be terrifying.




Oh, I think he's lived long enough acting like a git that it comes naturally. Plus, we know he has little love for Harry. He'll protect him, but he won't coddle or be best friends. And he enjoys making Harry mad. So him being mean to Hermione is just one way to make Harry madder. Also, wouldn't a know it all get a little on your nerves too?



-I don't think Snape knows about Peter. I think he believes Sirius betrayed the Potters. Which is pretty much unforgivable as Lily was killed that night. Also, he did have a grudge. He hasn't had any kindness from anyone to make the grudge go away, he's been nursing it. So a chance to get back at them is wonderful to him.
-I think both. He promised not to let Harry get killed, so him going to meet a murderer and a werewolf would be dangerous. Once there, he realizes that it's his perfect chance to get back at the others.

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I think I was hoping for a bit more reception that this. Thanks for your input though, NuMa. I shall do my very best to respond with original thoughts.

I like your response concerning Snape's boggart a lot. I'm not sure if I can agree with the Lily bit though, because Lily rejecting him has already happened. I've always thought it might have something to do with Lily though to serve as a constant reminder of what he threw away in his life. I also like you're idea on the memories he has when a Dementor is near. I can't help not leaving Lily out of this one though either. Perhaps another memory that haunts him is the proclaimed "worst memory" of the day he called Lily a Mudblood.

Lol. It's true, but after rereading DH a few times and really taking in the conversations he has in The Prince's Tale it seems unlike him to be snarky like that for no reason. I will concede you're probably right about Harry. Snape certainly isn't the only one who's been annoyed by Hermione. Here's an idea that's a bit weird-ish - What if he sees a bit of Lily in Hermione? Obviously Hermione and Lily aren't related, but both were good students and I've always thought that Lily could've possibly been a bit brainy like Hermione as well.

You're answer was right on with what I thought. It's sort of odd knowing that Snape doesn't know what really happened to cause the Potters' deaths. Actually, I think he still blames a lot of it on himself for hearing the prophecy in the first place. Here's a question though - If Snape was working as a double agent wouldn't he have eventually found out that Peter had betrayed the Potter's to begin with? Or do you think Voldemort would have never spoken of the events leading up to his first downfall afterward?