Will you let me in the club? My favorite dwarves are Kili, Fili and Thorin Oakenshield.

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If I am not a member yet, can I join; please?

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Married Dean Winchester 3/18/13 (est. 2005)

I suppose you both can join. Try not to be to crazy Elenia!

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Formerly Legolin12

Thanks Lego .

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Married Dean Winchester 3/18/13 (est. 2005)

Welcome to the club Elenia and Alatáriël

I watched "the Hobbit" with my friend who didn't like LotR, and she absolutely loved the Hobbit. We discussed the differences between LotR and the Hobbit, and we concluded that the main difference are the Dwarves. Their characters and traits are somehow more human and relatable than Aragorn and Boromir were in LotR, despite the latter two being human.

I was wondering if you had any thoughts on that? Why is everyone suddenly into Dwarves? What makes them so likeable/attractive/nice/annoying?

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Thanks so much .

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Married Dean Winchester 3/18/13 (est. 2005)

Some of us are more into the actors that portray them than the actual character. That doesn't mean I don't like the character (I don't think I disliked any of the characters in the actual book), it just means I was so moved by Armitage's performance as Thorin that I begin to see the character in a new light. I think what they're doing with the movie version is show us exactly why Thorin is the way that he is, so that we can relate to him more than we could in the book.

There weren't very many dwarves in the LOTR (other than Gimli and a few others), so I think that because there are more of them in the Hobbit, we get to learn more about their culture and the struggles they've had to go through. I'm still curious as to what caused that rift between the dwarves and the elves. Why don't those two races get along?

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♥ Married Owen Grady 8/25/16 ♥
"The key to a happy life is to accept you are never actually in control."

Allow me to explain.

Thranduil's family comes from Doriath, one of the old elven kingdoms of Beleriand. Thingol, King of Doriath, is the one who ordered Beren to cut a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown and bring it to him, which Beren did. So Thingol, now in possession of a Silmaril, asked a group of dwarven craftsmen to set the jewel into a necklace so he could wear it. The dwarves agreed, but when they finished the necklace, they decided it was so beautiful that they were going to keep it. Thingol wasn't happy, of course, so the dwarves killed him and ran away (after which Beren caught up with them and killed them).

Anyway, Thranduil's father was (I think) present for those events, so it's a family grudge, because it was dwarves that killed his king, leading to distrust by Thranduil and Legolas.

That's one reason.

There's also the more general matter that the dwarves were made by Aule, not Eru himself, and were always viewed as imitations, second-best, and inferior to the other races, but for the events of The Hobbit, the issue is Doriath.

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^ Can I marry your brain? Or at least the part that holds all the information from the Sil?
Thank you for the explanation!

Marida, I agree with you on Armitage's portrayal of Thorin. When I first read the Hobbit I didn't think too much of Thorin "Grumpy" Oakenshield, who was always unfriendly and arrogant towards everyone, without any apparent reason. However with the background provided in the beginning and course of the movie, I got to understand why Thorin behaves so stubborn and cold at times. The responsibility he carries, knowing that his people look toward him for guidance and support, while still trying to act honourable in memory of his father and grandfather; that would be enough to make everyone grumpy every now and then. In some aspects he's actually quite similar to Aragorn (long legacy, hope of his people etc.) who also wasn't exactly cheerful...

It's also plain fun to see more of the Dwarves. Although we knew some things about Dwarves from Gimli (stubborn, loyal friends, good fighters, strong and honest), the variety of Dwarves in the Hobbit provides enough room to show those characteristics in combination with different personalities and tempers. Also, Dwarves are usually a bit underrated or underrepresented in traditional fantasy literature, so it's nice to see something else than the typical beer-drinking and fighting stereotypes.

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You're very welcome! Haha, I only know the bits relevant to my favourite characters, so I don't know much about the elves of Doriath or the dwarves, and certainly not Men. But I do see a lot of informative Tolkien posts floating around on my tumblr RP accounts.

Anyway, back to the films.

I'm not such a big fan of Ori--I think they made him too twee and helpless--but he certainly defies the typical fantasy-dwarf stereotypes, which is at least interesting, especially when you compare him to someone like Dwalin or Gloin.

Also, Bifur doesn't get enough love, so here's a shoutout to him for speaking in Dwarvish!

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Club question: Are you annoyed at the division between Elves and Dwarves? Or you don't mind? I say that it's really annoying because they're both awesome races! It's really amusing when Gimli and Legolas joke around and start becoming friends. They're from the families that hate each other and they make a bond that lasts forever!

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call me Fin, Ara, Aralas, Tulisse, or Tuli.
~A mahta tenna qualme! Auta i lome, aure entuluva!~
was known as aralas_29.

I actually liked Ori because he was so un-Dwarf like. I couldn't imagine a tough warrior like Dwalin grabbing a pencil and making notes about their journey, and Ori is perfect for that job! I keep wondering why they gave him a slingshot though, it just seems kind of.. useless. Unless you fight trolls with it, that is.

On the other hand I loved Dwalin, who is the complete opposite of Ori. Dwalin is like Gimli²: even more stubborn, more eager to fight and more impatient, yet still loyal

Aralas, I can't say I'm annoyed at the division between Elves and Dwarves. I think they both have good reasons for disliking each other, even though it's an old feud. Ofcourse it's nice to see them getting along, but Dwarves and Elves are just so different in almost every aspect imaginable that's it's no surprise that they sometimes have problems understanding and liking each other.

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Yeah, I think it's the slingshot that bothers me the most. You'd think they'd arm him with something a bit more useful if they were going on such a dangerous quest. Wouldn't Nori or Dori teach him how to use a bow or a sword so he could actually protect himself?

Oh, but Dwalin is amazing. He scared me at first, but at some point I realised I loved him. Perhaps it's the mohawk in the flashback sequences.


Well, it's really only the Mirkwood elves/Thorin's company that have such a feud going on. Other than them, I get the impression that elves and dwarves don't really care very much about what the other is doing--the elves live in the forests while the dwarves dig underground, so there's hardly much interaction between them, and therefore no reason to actively dislike one another (unless you're Thranduil or Thorin).

Actually, though, there are examples of elves and dwarves being friends too. I believe Maedhros made efforts to befriend the dwarves in the First Age, and they fought in the Nirnaeth Arnoediad and were greatly respected for forcing Glaurung the dragon to retreat. Everyone died anyway. Then later we have the elves of Eregion working alongside the dwarves of Moria because of their mutual desires to craft beautiful things--the gates of Moria were forged by Celebrimbor, an elf, and Narvi, a dwarf, as a joint effort (which is why they have Elvish writing on them).

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Ori is cool In my opinion. And the fact that he likes to use Elvish characters brings down the Elvish-Dwarvish wall a tiny bit. I can't imagine Balin, Oin and Ori in Moria... it's hard to imagine them being the same people dead in LotR!

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call me Fin, Ara, Aralas, Tulisse, or Tuli.
~A mahta tenna qualme! Auta i lome, aure entuluva!~
was known as aralas_29.

Ikr^^^
I was like"no! Ori cant die!!"

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Formerly Legolin12

^IKR!
And when Era told me that Fili and Kili and Thorin die in the Hobbit I was just like, NO. NO! THIS ISN'T HAPPENING!!!

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call me Fin, Ara, Aralas, Tulisse, or Tuli.
~A mahta tenna qualme! Auta i lome, aure entuluva!~
was known as aralas_29.