Mhmm. That's exactly what I was saying. Do you think Snape is ever confused about how he should treat Harry? I mean, Harry is the spitting image of James and that makes Snape want to loathe him as much as he loathed his father, but then when Snape looks in Harry's eyes I wonder, does he find himself looking into Lily's? *dreamy sigh* I'm such a romantic.

So, chapter 7 gives us our first real glimpse of Dumbledore's character. My first impression of him is that he's a very interesting character and that we'll be seeing a lot of him. He's very wise, yet has one of the best sense's of humour I've ever read about. I would've never thought he'd be fighting at the Ministry in OotP, or drinking that awful green potioni in HBP. What were your first impressions of him?

I'd also like to know, did anyone find Hermione extremely annoying at first. I mean, all she wanted to do was tag along and be a goodie two shoes. And her cleverness was enough to make me gag. But then, she grew on me after the troll bit at Halloween and now she's one of my favourite characters. She has loads of common sense and has some of the best lines in the book.

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Well.. I don't want to speak for Amoniel, as she's in charge here, but I definitely think you can join. Welcome to the club!

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I think JK made Dumbledore the mysterious character that we never know who his real character is. He has so many sides to him that we never really get the full or real Dumbledore. He's the Headmaster that jokes around and likes the simple pleasures of socks and Muggle Candy, but yet he is so wise beyond our imagination. He takes knowledge to a whole other level. Dumbledore also has bravery beyond anyone, even Harry. Like you said Larael, he stands up against the Ministry and drinks that dreadful potion, and then lets himself be killed to make Harry's battle against Voldemort better. Dumbledore is such a complex character--and that chapter, we barely scratch the surface of who he really is.

Hermione was a tad annoying to begin with. I think she was such a know-it-all and it bugged the heck out of me, but after Chapter Ten--the last sentence to be exact, she became Ron and Harry's best friend, and then i loved her. She is my favorite character (as you can see by my banner). I think she is not only book smart. She is the foundation behind Harry and Ron. Countless times she has given Harry information that makes him stronger-- in Book 5 she was the one that told Harry the Ministry is interfereing at Hogwarts. She is the brains behind the trio and she is a valuable person. Without her, Harry wouldnt have gotten as far as he had. I also think Hermione is a complex character. She seems to know so much, but doesnt act on it. In book 4 we start to see her as the 'go to girl' for Harry and Ron about girls, yet she doesnt act on what she feels--toward Ron. And then in Book 6, the jealousy starts to show where she goes out with McLaggen to get back at Ron. She has so many sides to her it's difficult to keep up, that's what makes her so intresting.

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Welcome to the club alatriel! I kinda do agree with what you guys said about Snape, which leads me to thinking that he did actually hate James. And I think he does have some of those feelings of hatred towards Harry as well. He doesnt like Harry because of James, but Harry never did anything to Snape. But I think that deep down he actually does care for Harry in a way. He did save him a few times as well.

I love Dumbledore! I think he is an amazing character, and is always suprising us. I admire him, and I expecually love the relationship between him and Harry. I cant even imagine what it is going to be like when HBP come out and he dies

I didnt ever really think that Hermione was annoying. From time to time I thought she was a bit nosey, and I could definatly tell that Harry and Ron didnt like her. But then I felt bad for her when she overheard Ron saying how she finally realized that she had no friends after that part where she was being a know it all telling Ron how to pronounce Wingardium Leviosa. So after that I didnt mind her as much, and then I definatly became to love her after they all became friends. And now she is just a totally different person all together! I mean in the first two books she would never be caught breaking the rules, and she was always so worried about getting in trouble. But now in Ootp she is excited about breaking rules, and coming up with ways to do them. Its amazing to see how much the characters have changed since the first book!

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It is! I think the all the books have a hidden theme of maturing. JK starts them with young adolescents who just live life and are some-what immature (they blame people for just being someone they hate--Snape stealing the stone, and they are incredibly nosy). Plus they are just dealing with issues that 11-12 year olds have to deal with. But then when the 3rd book comes out, you really start to see the progression. Harry has to start dealing with the issues of not only worrying about Voldemort, but discovering who Sirius is and learning the truth. And as the 4-6 books come out, harry starts to deal with love/crush issues. In the 6th book we see him really matured. It's really amazing to read the books and see how the characters progress

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It is! I think the all the books have a hidden theme of maturing. JK starts them with young adolescents who just live life and are some-what immature (they blame people for just being someone they hate--Snape stealing the stone, and they are incredibly nosy). Plus they are just dealing with issues that 11-12 year olds have to deal with. But then when the 3rd book comes out, you really start to see the progression. Harry has to start dealing with the issues of not only worrying about Voldemort, but discovering who Sirius is and learning the truth. And as the 4-6 books come out, harry starts to deal with love/crush issues. In the 6th book we see him really matured. It's really amazing to read the books and see how the characters progress

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It is! I think the all the books have a hidden theme of maturing. JK starts them with young adolescents who just live life and are some-what immature (they blame people for just being someone they hate--Snape stealing the stone, and they are incredibly nosy). Plus they are just dealing with issues that 11-12 year olds have to deal with. But then when the 3rd book comes out, you really start to see the progression. Harry has to start dealing with the issues of not only worrying about Voldemort, but discovering who Sirius is and learning the truth. And as the 4-6 books come out, harry starts to deal with love/crush issues. In the 6th book we see him really matured. It's really amazing to read the books and see how the characters progress

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I don't think Snape necessarily cares for Harry, but I do think he wouldn't want Harry killed. It all goes back to his supposed crush on Lily and the fact that James, the very man he loathes, saved his life.

Those are very good points Amoniel and hobbt_fan! Maturation is a big part of the series. I was just watching something on the telly yesterday about Harry and his journey so far. They talked about how as readers we virtually only see things through Harry's eyes, so if Harry makes a mistake [such as believing Snape was after the Philosopher's Stone] then we make that mistake right along with him. We just can't take things at face value in the Harry Potter series, as JKR always has a trick up her sleeve.

I saw that too! Like if Harry said Snape was bad, we all thought that. I thought that it was a good program

We'll move on to Chapters 11-15 on Wed.

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Neat-o! I think we'll definitely get through PS before DH comes out. Anything else worth discussing for these chapters?

I thought I'd point out that Harry first experiences a bout of pain in his scar in the sorting hat chapter. I was wondering if any of you think Harry is a horcrux? Many people believe that this special connection between Voldie and Harry [via the scar] can only happen because it is, or Harry is, a horcrux.

I think there is definately a connection but I don't think he is a horcrux. It just would not make sense. I will post more, i just have geusts over so. xo, See you Wed. I'll be busy partying tomorrow for OotP movie

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Lol. *sigh* Us Brits have got to wait a whole day more before we can see the movie. Ah well.. I'm going to a midnight premiere as well.

But anyhoo, you're right it just doesn't make any sense. There is a connection, but Harry just can not be a horcrux. Besides we all know that it has to be something of Gryffindor's/Ravenclaw's, Nagini, locket, Tom Riddle's diary, ring, Hufflepuff's cup, and the piece inside Voldemort himself. And unless Harry is a descendant of Godric or Rowena [which is highly unlikely] I just don't think he can be a horcrux.

But, going back to the chapter in which Dumbledore leaves Harry of the doorstep of number 4 Privet Drive, he says that even if he could get rid of Harry's scar he wouldn't, because it might be useful one day. Do you think Dumbledore knows something about it that we don't?

Chapter 11 is Harry's first Quidditch match. We see his natural talent for it. Obviously it runs in the family- his father James. As we start to learn more about his father, do you think Harry is like him?

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When I first read PS I thought for sure that Harry and James were alike. I mean, even not in that chapter it is mentioned often that they are very much alike. However, after Snape's Worst Memory we can see that James did strut about school and act arrogant. Of course this might have been James before he actually matured, but still, we don't even see Harry acting that way around that same age.

So, in chapter 12, we meet the delights of the Mirror of Erised. Did anyone else find the idea of a mirror showing your hearts desire rather than what it wants as confusing? I dunno.. maybe it's just me. I've always found it hard to distinguish between the two. Desire and want I mean.. maybe someone else could shed some light on that.

But, besides that Dumbledore is asked the question of what he would see in the mirror. Of course, he replies, socks. Haha, good one Dumbledore. As readers we know that he obviously didn't tell the truth. It just so happens that a while back JKR was asked this question in relation to Dumbledore, but she refused to say what he would see. Do any of you think it has something to do with anything that could happen [or is relevant] to something in Deathly Hallows? It can't be something so simple if she wouldn't want to tell us.

In the following chapter, Nicholas Flamel, we find out [although it was mentioned much earlier on] that Nick and Dumbledore worked in alchemy together and discovered the 12 uses of dragons blood. Just another speculation - Do you think we'll be seeing these 12 uses in DH? They [and dragons] seem to pop up hither and thither through out the books, so I don't think it's improbable.

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