Hmmm life on other planets.
Yep; the angels have gotta live somewhere hehe
I don't really think about it; its not something that I feel the need to think about cos i'm so busy with everything else in my life.

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lol I love your answer Anduril


Speaking of the size of space, however.... I saw this chart once that showed earth... then it showed how much HUGER (and I put the word in caps for good reason) our sun was than the earth.... then it progressed to show a few other planets that mad our sun look like a pea next to them... eventually those planets that dwarfed our sun could not even bee seen because they were SOOOOOO small compared to the other GIANT planets out there.....

O_o so if you think about it... even the size of the planets is huge.... then you consider how far away theya re that we can barely see some of them with our high powered telescopes.... O_o yeah... it's pretty stink'n amazing this whole world God created. *nods*

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Space is infinite.

Duh.

Huge doesn't even come close.

Carl Sagan ftw.

Look him up if you don't know who I'm talking about. But you should. And it's shameful if you don't. *nods*

And it's absolutely ridiculous to think we're the only populated planet out there. Egotistical is the better word.

Not only do I want to believe, I DO believe.

I don't care what they look like, but I'm totally down with Time Lord lookin' aliens.

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O_o is this a case of wakin up on the wrong side of the litter box or simply something more complicated?
No offense... just an observation.

i take it MontanaBohemian, you claim to be a christian... howevr if you go from a stricktly biblical stand point there really is no reason to assume life on other planets.



I'm not sayign there is and I'm not saying there isn't... *shrugs* I'm just saying no one knows. I think it more egotistical to say there is when there is no evidence to support such claims than it is to say there is not since there is just that... no evidence to support the claim.

We can only go by what we know, and so far 100% of the planets we have explored have no life... so it's safer to assume there is no life on other planets at this point in time. (from a statistical viewpoint)

*shrugs* just my opinion.

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I don't think you can go by statistics alone on this. We have explored very, very few of the planets that we do know of, not to speak of the countless others that remain undiscovered. From a statistical viewpoint, we have not (yet) found life on a handful of planets, while millions more remain unknown. There is no completely logical argument for or against the existence of life elsewhere. There's a significant degree of faith involved either way, because we simply can't know.

Consider this - everything that we perceive is defined by three dimensions, five senses. What's to say that there isn't a lifeform that exists within completely different parameters? If there were, we wouldn't know that it was there any more than it would know that we were here.

I'm writing this in class (shh) and the bell just rang, so I can't really say more right now, but suffice it to say that I'm undecided on this matter. There are just way too many possibilities to be certain either way.

I agree. As I said I am ot saying there is and I am not saying thee is not.

There are legit arguments on both sides of the fence. But either way it's no good calling the opposing point dogmatic or egotistical when your point has less or no more evidence to suport itself.


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Here's a youtube video showing just how teeny tiny earth is. Its really mind boggling how our planet is prety much a speck of dust in the universe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7hsQA3w ... re=related

@Jax: Just because I didn't fluff up what I said doesn't mean I was in a bad mood or anything.

And excuse me, where the hell does this "claim to be a Christian" come from?

You should be glad I didn't get on your case about bringing up "god" before my post because I'm going to NOW. The rules about no frakking religion apply to EVERYONE on this forum and I'm rightfully pissed off that they seem to be ignored. Even in a conversation about life on other planets and the universe. Don't assume that everyone believes in your "god" and that your "god" created the universe. So I'm going to ask nicely only this once, PLEASE don't bring up your "god" even off-handedly.

BAH.

Going off of the very few planets (and MOONS by the way -- not everything has to be on a damned planet) and getting virtually (I say virtually because Europa, one of Jupiter's moons might have been viable for life as WE know it - H2O) zilch does not give anyone the right to decree we are alone in the universe. You can believe it all you want, doesn't make it true.

If you've ever taken an astronomy class it's made clear on the first day that there are millions upon millions of galaxies in the universe. And billions of stars in EACH galaxy. With planets orbiting some of those stars in each galaxy. So it's ABSURD to think that we're the only ones with life on ours. Because the possibility is just too great. And by life, I mean life as WE know it. Even little itty bitty microscopic bacteria living in a tiny itty bitty drop of oh say, water. Voila! LIFE. HA.

@Naur: That's an awesome video. And totally mind boggling. I've seen a video like that before in one of my astronomy classes. So like imagine that video on a big theatre screen. Ha ha ha!! Doesn't matter how many times you see something like that, it just blows your mind every time.

Now you got me on YouTube, I found myself a video to share about "The Immensity of the Universe." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R9U5b_YV0Y

I *would* post some Carl Sagan "Cosmos" videos ... but then I'd end up posting everything because he's far too awesome. XD So, I'll spare the lot of yah.

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I've seen videos like those before. Pretty awesome stuff. I've always had a fascination with other planets/stars/galaxies, so I love things like that. It's really humbling.

Just so we're clear, MB, I wasn't trying to discount your view. I only brought up the possibility of life that is entirely different from ours because the thought of other dimensions and realities has always fascinated me. There are a mind-blowing number of conditions for life as we know it (planet size/location/composition, amount/composition of atmosphere, presence of an asteroid belt, large planets, smaller planets, size/temperature/proximity of the sun, shape of galaxy, size of galaxy, location in galaxy, etc), so I am slightly more supportive of the possibility of life that has entirely different requirements from ours. However, there's also a mind-blowing number of other systems out there, so while the chance is smaller, I'm not going to say that there isn't any possibility of life like ours elsewhere. The "invisible" lifeforms was a theory that my physics teacher brought up in a recent class discussion on the subject. It's just interesting to think about.

Did anyone else used to (or still) want to be an astronaut? I always thought it would be so cool when I was younger. I was going to be a veterinarian, fashion designer, screenwriter, and astronaut. All at once. (Yes, I had rather high aspirations). I've sort of given up on that plan by now, but I still think it'd be awesome to go into outer space sometime. Talk about mind-blowing.

@POTR: Oh, I know you weren't trying to discount what I was saying. I actually meant to comment on what you said, because I agree with it. You can't base reasoning on the statistics of a handful of planets alone.

"Invisible" life forms. Ha ha ha! Awesome. When I think about that, and other dimensions I always think about sci fi shows. In a good way ... because I'm a sci fi geek to the core. XD Even my astronomy professor was way into sci fi. I mean he was a hardcore Trekkie.

I never wanted to be an astronaut, but I've always been interested in astronomy type stuff. And I've always wished I was smart enough to be in that field. It's just so fascinating! I mean it'd be awesome to go into space, no doubt about that. But I'm a total geek and would just love to study it from some observatory. I just love thinking about it and if I were smart enough to be in that field, studying it and learning about and researching space would just be ... AWESOME.

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Oh, me too. But I'd love to go into space. Not long term, but... you get the picture. Although, if I had to choose the method of getting into space... it'd be the alien spaceship from Independence Day. If only it was that easy!



Well, really, 100% of the planets we've explored is... Earth and Mars. And the moon, but that's not a planet. And like MB said, Europa (one of Jupiter's moons) is covered in ice and water, so there may very well be life on it. Just because there are.... however many huge number of planets and moons out there that have been studied from afar are not habitable for humans doesn't mean there isn't life on them. Bacteria is a life form as well, and has been found before, most notably and recently on Mars (either alive or dead).

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I wouldn't want to be an astronaut (the thought of being up in space, helpless, is just too frightening) but I do love to study space. Its something that I find facinating. There's so much about space that we don't know. I'm excited to hear about discoveries and such.

Except for the news that Pluto isn't a planet. That made me sad.

Have any of you heard of the way scientists look for planets that can support life? Some of the methods they use are so complex, I'm pretty sure it would be harder than rocket science.
When they look for planets far away (I mean so far away that a telescope can't even see them) they look to the star instead. Every one knows that the gravitational pull of the star keeps the planet in orbit. However, the planet itself has a bit of gravity, so it pulls at the star. They can tell if the star is being pulled by looking at the light spectrum it gives of: Red colors are longer waves, while purple are shorter. So if the sun turns a bit purple (They have instruments to measure this, because it can't be done by the naked eye) they know that the sun is being pulled towards them (because that would increase the wave frequecy of the light.) and when it turns red the sun is being pulled away. They measure this and can then tell how big the planet is and how far away from the sun it is! They even have technology to figure out somewhat what the planet is made of. Isn't that incredible? I can't believe how complex those calculations would be. It makes my brain hurt thinking about it.

Okay, good. I just read back over it and was like "I hope she doesn't think I was disagreeing with her" and... yeah. Better safe than sorry.

And yes, I'd still love to spend time at an observatory. In any capacity. I'll be the coffee girl if I have to. Just breathing in the atmosphere of astronomic discovery would be sufficient. Well, and being permitted to peek through the telescopes on my breaks.

The methods they use are insane. Given that basic high school physics makes my head hurt sometimes, I can't even begin to imagine how much work some of their calculations take. I'd love the excitement of new discovery and looking at awesome stuff that's millions of lightyears away, but I'm pretty sure my brain would melt within a week.

Best stick with the Film/Digital Media major, methinks.

Hammer... *looks around* hammer... oh wait....I'm not suposed to hammer people whoare rude.

*bows* My appologies. *puts hamer down*


*clears throat*

I would say... by above actions... perhaps my original statement wasnt' so far off.

From a more serious point of view... you are certainly allowed to voice your oppinions, believe what you want etc...

The religeon polocy doesn't say you can't even mention God. (might wanna check it out before reffering to it)

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Secondly... I would have hoped that we could converse without resorting to insults and angry words. We are, after all, in the "adult" thread... were suposed to act like adults no?

My statement was simple, youre reply was antagonistic, my reply was defensive but not an attack... your reply to that... well, I won't go there.

I simply stated an opinion, I guess I took for grantit the fact that you would be mature enough to debate civily regarding that opinion.

Again *bows* my appologies.





Indeed. I completely agree. I fully admit that we have explored such a minute ammount that no one, on either side, can make a final judgement.

As I said... I'm not saying there is lie... and I'm not saying there is not life.

But when you consider the evidence (regardless of how lacking it is) there is more to support no life, than to support life. Simple statisticks.

I don't think it's stupid to think there is lif on other planets, or to think that there is not. Infact, I don't hold firmly to either view. i was simply stating my thoughts on the subject.

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Alright, let's just hold up right here. To state you assume someone has a certain belief can lead to a debate. That's against the rules, so end of story, and anything else you wish to discuss please do it outside of this thread.


Potr, most definitely. I don't mind math every now and then. I actually enjoy the physics class I'm in this semester. But to do that as a career? I can't even imagine.

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I stated I assumed, true... and if that simple fact offended anyone (despite the fact it shouldn't ) I appologize but other than that I have started nothing.

Granted, I've been a bit stingy in replies, and I suppose I should appologize for that as well.... but I wasn't in the best of moods and I am begining to think that life is to short to let people walk all over you... so I'm not gonna.

My original post was not intended to offend anyone... I had noidea it would. And if the response to that would have been more understanding instead of rash, I would not have continued. So, with all due respect, I did not start this.

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