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Post subject: Posted: December 24th, 2006, 7:24 pm |
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Not really, because they are anyways.
"My Prince" could be used on the same person as "My Lord" then there's always "My Lord Prince".
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Post subject: Posted: December 24th, 2006, 7:27 pm |
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Oh...my brain...
I'm not going to go there! I'm just going to stick with what tindomiel said.
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Post subject: Posted: December 24th, 2006, 7:28 pm |
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I could share her opinion, except maybe Legolas is a vassal of Faramir, because Ithilien is still part of the lands of Gondor.
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Post subject: Posted: December 24th, 2006, 7:31 pm |
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Yay! Use of the word vassal!
Is Legolas vassal [!] of Faramir or Aragorn? Or both, if he's vassal of Faramir and Faramir is vassal of Aragorn?
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Post subject: Posted: December 24th, 2006, 7:36 pm |
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Both, though indirectly to Aragorn through Faramir, as you stated.
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Post subject: Posted: December 24th, 2006, 11:26 pm |
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Hey! Wikipedia says Faramir is also Lord of Emyn Arnen. And that he goes and lives with Eowyn in Emyn Arnen. Where is Emyn Arnen?
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Post subject: Posted: December 24th, 2006, 11:37 pm |
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"In the fiction of J. R. R. Tolkien, Emyn Arnen is a series of hills in Ithilien, south of Osgiliath.
Emyn Arnen (Sindarin "Hills beside the water") was home to a family of Númenórean nobles, and from them came Húrin, chosen by King Minardil of Gondor to be his Steward. Later kings of Gondor only chose their stewards from among Húrin's descendants, and eventually the Stewardship of Gondor became hereditary (the stewards named themselves members of the House of Húrin).
After the events of the War of the Ring, King Elessar granted to Faramir, son of the Steward Denethor II, the Princedom of Ithilien and the Lordship of Emyn Arnen (Faramir also maintained the Office of the Steward, even after he tried to surrender it to King Elessar). Emyn Arnen, being the ancestral home of the Stewards of Gondor, became the official home of the Steward Faramir and his descendants."
There you go.
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Post subject: Posted: December 25th, 2006, 10:50 am |
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Ohhhh...thats interesting,so faramir is Prince of ithilien,lord of Emyn Arnen and is the steward of gondor although he doesnt need to be one because theres currently a king??
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Post subject: Posted: December 25th, 2006, 1:20 pm |
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The title steward is still necessary with a King, since he does some of the king's duties and generally acts as 'co-king'. Sort of like the Vizier in a Sultanate.
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Post subject: Posted: December 26th, 2006, 8:08 pm |
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Then why did Faramir try to give it up when Aragorn became king?
Hey, what's the White Company? How many people are part of that? Do they all live in Ithilien--actually, I'm gonna just assume yes on that one. But what do they do for Faramir?
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Post subject: Posted: December 26th, 2006, 8:20 pm |
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He didn't want to be steward? The white company may be some group of settlers/guards for Faramir.
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Post subject: Posted: December 26th, 2006, 8:24 pm |
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Ok...
Yeah, it says that they're Guards of Faramir, but what do they *do*? Are there a lot of them? 'cuz that's more of the *population* [!] in Ithilien!
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Post subject: Posted: December 26th, 2006, 8:29 pm |
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A guard basically would be a ceremonial sort of thing that followed Faramir, representing his authority. The number of the guard is pointless in adding population, because it's doubtful they settle down and marry, etc.
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Post subject: Posted: December 26th, 2006, 8:33 pm |
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Well, Beregrond joined the White Company and he's got a family. Why can't the others have families?
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Post subject: Posted: December 26th, 2006, 11:30 pm |
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Military service isn't friendly to families, Beregrond is probably the exception, not the rule.
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Post subject: Posted: December 27th, 2006, 1:27 pm |
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Not necessarily...I imagine a lot of the soldiers of Minas Tirith would have families...they would still be in the same city, after all. It would be a little difficult, but not impossible, especially considering we don't know how frequently they had leaves and such.
Though an important thing to note is that while Tolkien mentions that Bergil is Beregond's son, he doesn't mention Beregond's wife, so he might not have had family, per sé.
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