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Post subject: did frodo succeed??or did he fail?? Posted: December 20th, 2006, 8:08 am |
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Personally,do you feel that frodo succeeded or failed his task.
considering tht he decided to keep the ring...
hehheh saw some people discussing it on the net,so i thought i'd bring it here and see what y'all think...=]
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Post subject: Posted: December 20th, 2006, 1:35 pm |
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What do you mean by he meant to keep the ring. He of course suceeded in my oppinion, he fought through the hardships and managed to come out victorious as he destroyed the ring. He was brave and courageous. I understand that without sam the ring would have proven too hard a burden to bear for a wee hobbit but together they made it through.
Frodo was the only hobbit with the capability to hold the ring. Although in many ways it did slightly corrupt him, he managed to fight it most of the time and in that way he was also very sucessfull in his task!
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Post subject: Posted: December 20th, 2006, 7:56 pm |
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heh heh. Do you mean that he didn't actually throw the ring into Mount Doom? I think he did succeed because it was he who kept Smeagol alive to the point of going over the edge.
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Post subject: Posted: December 20th, 2006, 7:58 pm |
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No, silly, Gollum achieved the quest, of all people. Frodo just got it there so Gollum could dance it into the volcano.
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Post subject: Posted: December 20th, 2006, 8:00 pm |
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But he's only alive to achieve the quest because Frodo kept him alive. Frodo achieved the quest indirectly.
I WIN! Just kidding.
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Post subject: Posted: December 20th, 2006, 9:17 pm |
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Frodos-Guide wrote: What do you mean by he meant to keep the ring. He of course suceeded in my oppinion, he fought through the hardships and managed to come out victorious as he destroyed the ring. He was brave and courageous. I understand that without sam the ring would have proven too hard a burden to bear for a wee hobbit but together they made it through.
Frodo was the only hobbit with the capability to hold the ring. Although in many ways it did slightly corrupt him, he managed to fight it most of the time and in that way he was also very sucessfull in his task!
I most definatly agree with you. Frodo definatly did succeed! If it wasnt for him making it all the way to Mordor saftley with the ring then Gollum would have taken it for himself and then Sauron would have probably gotten it somehow. So he succeeded Go Frodo!!
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Post subject: Posted: December 21st, 2006, 2:38 am |
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I think that even though the ring corrupted him a little, he fought the desire to keep the ring for himself. So basically, he didn't fail. I won't say he won or anything but he accomplished the task which was given to him.I can be wrong. Do tell me if I am.
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Post subject: Posted: December 21st, 2006, 4:09 am |
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Indirectly, Frodo succeeded, because he kept Gollum alive. Directly, though, he failed, because his will succumbed to the lure of the Ring right at the brink, right at Sammath Naur, and if it weren't for Gollum's unwitting intervention, the Quest would have been lost at the very end.
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Post subject: Posted: December 21st, 2006, 12:38 pm |
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Its a failure of strenght and will.
Tolkien didnt want LOTR to end with some typical hero-act so he kinda chose this ending to deliver a message rather than any emotional thrill,as said in the (Letters of JRR Tolkien)
But again Tolkien believes Frodo did not fail...
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 8:38 am |
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Witch_King_of_Angmar wrote: No, silly, Gollum achieved the quest, of all people. Frodo just got it there so Gollum could dance it into the volcano.
Exactly my thoughts.
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 10:56 am |
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I can see where you';re coming from with the view that gollum won, but who was it that Gollum fell into Mount Doom at the hands of?
It was difficult for Frodo to let go, and it was a shame that at the final stance, as he arrived at mount Doom, the corruption of the ring was so great, he was unable to fight it. You must see this as a demonstration to the power of the ring. Think about it! At Sauron's depth of Middle-Earth., with all of the evil and corruption, would you think any hobbit, man nor any other species would have the power to overcome the Dark Lord's will as he is ruler of all evil in Middle-Earth!? I see that answer as highlt unlikely.
I believe Frodo completley succeded because he was able to reach Mount Doom, although the task was a such a burden, and the outcome looked dowdy. It was a sucess in the sense that Frodo had the power, the will power and pure heart that guided him through Mordor and allowed him to fight the strong corruption that almost had him in it's grasp. Frodo is a hero. Gollum fell into the fires at Frodo's hands. When the ring wad thrown into the firey chasms from whince it came, it was Gollum's choice to follow it, and choose his own fate.
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 11:25 am |
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Suggestion: Read the books before you make a statement like that in the Return of the King Book forum.
Gollum did not fall into Orodruin at Frodo's hands--while Frodo was kneeling on the ground holding the stump of his finger, in pain, Gollum was dancing around in joy at having the Ring again. He stepped back too far, and fell from Sammath Naur, to meet his fiery death.
Therefore, Frodo was not directly related to the destruction of the Ring in that sense--it was merely the fact that Gollum wasn't watching where he was dancing.
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 11:39 am |
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There's no need to get Hostile but i still stick by what i said, i apologise if i may have gotten one or two facts mixed up! yikes!
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 11:41 am |
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Sorry....that wasn't supposed to appear hostile...I was quite literally just making a suggestion. I wasn't irritated or anything when I wrote that. No offense meant.
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 6:42 pm |
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Do you all want a shocker of a quote? Ok this is something that is vital to the topic:
"Frodo deserved all honour because he spent every drop of his power of will and body, and that was just sufficient to bring him to the destined point, and no further. Few others, possibly no others of his time, would have got so far. The Other Power then took over: the Writer of the Story (by which I do not mean myself), 'that one ever-present Person who is never absent and never named." - 192 From a letter to Amy Ronald 27 July 1956
However you interpet this quote is up to you. However it is most commonly meant that Eru Iluvatar took over when Frodo's last drop was spent. Eru pushed Gollum into the Fire (obviously by no means detectable).
Gollum did not just fall in by mischance.
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Post subject: Posted: December 22nd, 2006, 8:59 pm |
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Wow! I never knew that! Where did you find that? [and where did you find the maps on your signature?]
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