^Er... er... I second that! *can't think of anything better to add your brilliant speech*

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What's odd about that statement is, I love these movies to death and Jack is one of my LEAST favorite characters. Well, kind of. It's a love-hate thing.

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Aww, now you're making me blush. Thanks.

Ánië Súrion, yes, it's very interesting to have one of those characters, isn't it? I'm curious, I suppose you like Will and Elizabeth better... Why? *Shrugs* Maybe there's an obvious reason. But I can't think of it!

Yeah...I don't know. Will just stands out to me as a really interesting character, especially in the later movies. And I just like Elizabeth for some reason, maybe because she's really the only girl. Though Barbossa, Ragetti, and Norrington are three of my other favorites, so there you go. I'm diverse.

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Well,I am glad to say that these movies are good,and Liza is not a Mary-Sue,just because she's the only girl in the movies(Tia is dead and Annamaria disapearred).
The same thing goes to Arwen and Eowyn,well,my first post in this thread,better you read it to understand.

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I'd like to defend some people here:

Elizabeth isn't really a Mary-Sue in my eyes. I'm not very experienced in RPG but a Mary-Sue is a (female) character without faults, yes? I would never say Elizabeth had no faults. She uses people to get her own way, and exploits men's love of her. Her motives are nearly always selfish, except where Will is involved.

About Will... yes, he begins as a very unoriginal hero. But you learn that he isn't solely devoted to Elizabeth, but rather that it's his nature to be loyal and that virtue is actually his disadvantage in the first and second movies. But he develops as a character and learns that he can't blindly give his word when he can't possibly keep it.

And I will add if I may that I believe PotC is an epic... in it's own way. It's about freedom, betrayal, love, and the past and the future colliding. And it's fun. Let's face it: as much as I love LotR there are days when it does seem to drag. Also, PotC isn't just the ultimate good vs. the ultimate evil. The line is blurred, which is more relative to life.

It has faults, of course, and people can dislike it, but you can't just say it's a worthless, over-rated trend.

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Well, if you read any of the posts above mine (Anie's, FaeEowynTonks and especially Taur's) that's pretty much my thoughts and opinions on PotC and its characters.... they aren't just over-rated or dull or whatever...



well, PotC is a VERY deep movie... I mean the story has so many different things coming in and out of it, webs going this way and that. It's got all the characters' stories and they all intertwine, there's battles and as Taur said it's not all about good vs. evil because there's people who are good on the evil side (like Norrie in AWE) and people who are bad on the good side (like Beckett), and it's about the characters and their struggles and their normal human nature... but Taur said it all better than I did... I mean how can you call that "not on a large scale"? Ok, sure if you're calling LotR (and only LotR because no other movie beats Pirates than that one) epic and you're comparing every other movie to that than, no, Pirates wouldn't be epic (in that same way) because it doesn't measure up to LotR (but what does?)) but in it's own scale (and for sure on the general scale of epicness) Pirates is fun AND epic. And if you care to learn more about the story and about the characters and really watch them than you will find the characters aren't just Mary-Sues or whatever and that each character (yes, even Will) has his/her own in detailed story and back ground and each one is unique in his/her own way (not just the stereotype Jack who everyone likes because he's funny (no offence to Jack fans but I like to go for the character who you have to think about and see the deeper side of him/her and see their inner qualities and disadvantages... instead of just going along with the crowd (and believe me Jack is a amazing character too when you look past the goofiness and into the REAL Jack))).... I mean the real characters have already been described perfectly by Taurquende and others and they've already said everything that there is to say to tell the world that the characters in PotC aren't just stupid normal characters but they are some of the more unique and personable characters ever to be in a movie. I guess movies that challenge you to think about the story, have amazing plots, have stories that are so in-depth sometimes it's mind boggling, have some of the most personable characters ever, and have all the elements you want in a good movie (like comedy AND romance, normal human faults, action, and lots of adventure) than that's what I call an epic movie. And that is the very rare movie that so far, in the past 20 or so years, LotR and Pirates have been the only movies who have reached that category.



thank you, Taur. you are totally right! you said it all a lot better than I just did and I'm really happy you agree with me in this

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I've seen At World's End and I have to say this now:

This movie was so totally stupid! I didn't undestand it, because it didn't have a real storyline, it wasn't funny at all, and at the ending, it got only to a stupid, cheesy und unbelievable mess. Overally, it looked only like it was made just because of money and I hate the idea that there would probably be a fourth one.
So to anyone who hasn't seen it yet: Don't throw out your money for this movie! It isn't worth it, everything about this movie is far too overrated and I can't understand at all why so many people liked it.

I have nothing against the first part, but they should have stayed by the first part, the second and mostly the third part...forget it...a fourth part? I'm trying to be positive and try thinking about that it won't happen.

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Well, I guess I'm no judge of the style of movies other people like and whatnot but I wouldn't say PotC and especially AWE was that bad! no offence but I think a lot of people might get lost in them and not think there really is a story line because they're TOO in-depth and detailed and the stories are almost too big and sometimes hard to follow if you're just watching it to watch a movie. There was a LOT of time spent on these storylines and plots and Ted and Terry didn't just slap together some script right on the spot. Wow, not being funny and being cheesy? Now those are firsts I've ever heard for PotC… and they are absolutely neither! you didn't even crack up when Pintel is yelling at Jack and Barbossa to "stew it the both of you that's an ORDER!" or when Jack's saying "I've got a jar of dirt, I've got a jar of dirt"?
And I don't believe these movies were made just for the money… sure, that was probably a thought in there but these sequels beat a lot of movies' sequels (which most of them do stink) because they actually had a story and a good one at that… and the writers and actors and everything/everyone were in it because they wanted to be… not just for the money involved…
Definitely Dead Man's Chest and At World's End add more to Curse of the Black Pearl and take it so much farther and IMO the sequels are actually better than the original as far as the plot, the characters (growing up and maturing), and the adventure, visual effects and just about everything.
But I guess that's just where we will have to agree to disagree.

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Thanks.

Gollum13... I'm sorry you feel so strongly about it. Of course you're intitled to your opinion, and I'm not saying you should like it, but can you really argue that there wasn't a story line? Or that it was a complete waste of money? It had a really twisting, weaving story that in the end tied all together, which isn't very easy to do for a writer. And you can't deny that even if you didn't find it very deep or even entertaining, a lot of people will and do. So I just ask you, and others really, not to be so negative about things just because it's not your cup of tea.

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I think those who don't like it have some good points...sorry to say I'm only trying to get my parents to let me get it is because an lotr actor is in it. Don't really care if he screams boring...the pictures I've seen of Will Turner are enough to make up for a week of boredom. Trust me, I would not be bored.

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I dont like Pirates. well, I havent really seen any of the movies. but thats just something I wouldnt really waste my time with..

^And there fore, you cannot say that you dont like it. You can say "It doesn't look like it will appeal to me, so I wont watch them." Not "It sucks and I haven't even seen it."

What I like about the movies, is that they are romance/comedy/action/adventure/fantasy/semi-historical. They do have some of the same traits as LotR, honesty, doing whats right, standing up for what you believe in, good vs. evil. But like someone else said, the lines are more blurred, reflecting real life more so.

I can see where some of you are coming from, calling Liz a mary-sue, there is a fine line between a mary-sue and a flawed character that isnt a mary-sue.

Ok, Ok. I wasnt saying it 'sucks'

exactly... listen to Taur... please keep the negative comments to a minimum... of course you can have your own opinions but hearing PotC being torn down and ridiculed all the time gets depressing for the Pirates fans.



^so very true, Darky!

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Here's POTR's diffention on a Mary-Sue. (And how Elizabeth is one!;))








Personally, I like the unoriginal hero far more then the Will in the 3rd one. In my eyes he loses his heroicness. He betrays his friends, and even Elizabeth. *Shrugs*