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Post subject:  Posted: January 10th, 2008, 4:24 pm |
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I'm personally really bummed about 24. Doesn't make me feel kindly toward the strike-ing writers at all  I guess if the Golden Globes were cancelled, the Oscars could be too...?
Heh, glad to know I share my opinion with someone, PD. To me the thing smacks a bit of...something like PJ suing New Line because he didn't get enough millions to add to his millions Really, the pay can't be that bad. _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: January 10th, 2008, 7:52 pm |
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Well you have to remember that PJ was suing New Line as many, many workers on the films- costumers, set builders, etc etc etc etc were not paid as promised. It was not all to do with PJ lining his own pocket, but the crew members who were literally not paid all they were owed. I reckon anyone would be unhappy doing 6 years work and only being paid for 4 or 5.
Yes, that's the thing. With anyone who strikes (we had loads of postal striked last year..grr) people affected are going to not be happy with the strikers. And that to me, then seems silly to continue the strike, especially with striked that specifcally need public support.
Apparently it is all something to do with the fact when a film is shown on TV, cinema etc, actors get paid for each showing and writers are wanting the same principal to be applied to them.
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Post subject: Posted: January 10th, 2008, 9:18 pm |
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Ha ha ha ha, I love how the direction of this thread has changed.
The latest news I've heard is that despite the GG's being cancelled, the Oscar's, as of now, are scheduled to air as usual. How they're gonna do it is beyond me.
And you have to give the writers some credit, because if it weren't for them...we really wouldn't have these amazing shows we all love. And JF is right about them wanting to the same principal applied to them...but its also about all the episodes uploaded online by the companies.
Compared to the producers that they are striking against, writers make next to nothing. The fact that a fund has been set up for the at least 12,000 members of the WGA, kind of shows that they don't make that much.
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Post subject: Posted: January 10th, 2008, 9:18 pm |
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There's also and issue with the writer's wanting royalties paid to them each time a show or movie is watched or downloaded on the internet. For instance, NBC has clips of some Saturday Night Live skits that are available for viewing on their website. If you were a writer for that show you'd want to be paid every time that particular clip was viewed. I think that's kind of impossible...but who knows...
All I know is that it's affected some of my favorite show (especially Lost and The Office) and that I'll be a bit disappointed if there aren't any Oscar's this year. 
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Post subject: Posted: January 10th, 2008, 9:25 pm |
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I'll give writers credit, but now they're just asking to be catered. It's not like they're not already screaming rich as it is. It's Capitalism. Suck it up.
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Post subject: Posted: January 10th, 2008, 10:35 pm |
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Yeah, I find it hard to imagine every single writer being paid every single time someone watches a clip.
I feel more I think for the artists who don't get paid what they should, because say when their new album hits the shops... most people hit the pirate sites. They can't strike about anything, they have to live with it.
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Post subject: Posted: January 11th, 2008, 1:05 am |
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I agree with you completely. It's almost easier to steal music now than it is to buy it. I feel really bad for music artists.
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Post subject: Posted: January 11th, 2008, 2:13 am |
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First of all, I feel bad for the music artists as well. Especially for an unknown trying to break through.
Second of all, I think the writers have a valid point, at least to strike. I don't know what they've been asking for since the strike began, but it started about video and internet residuals. After the WGA's last strike in 1988 they agreed that they would be paid some of the money made when reruns aired even after the show's run ended. Twenty years later, technology is changing fast and although the producers are being paid when entire seasons are released on DVD, the writers are not. Also, millions of dollars are being put in the producers' pockets when other companies sponsor full length episodes online. For instance, look up LOST on the ABC website. You can watch or download the latest episodes with only a minute of commercial interruptions from the sponsor(s). You can also pause, rewind, fast forward, all on your time. It's like free TiVo! (Obviously, I find watching TV online much more convenient. ) Anyway, the problem is the producers get paid, but the writers get squat. This even goes when you buy an episode off iTunes, Amazon, or some other distributor. It costs $1.99 (at least for iTunes, I know), and none of it goes to the writers, even though it's their content. In the end, the producers, who have better paying jobs in the first place, get more money while the writers, who actually wrote the content, only have an initial paycheck. And although for some writers, this is certainly enough to provide a comfortable living, if you're a struggling writer at an independent company, it could make all the difference. And as a person, wouldn't you rather see the money go to a creative artist than a business man? 
Now that's my understanding of the TV writers, I'm not quite as clear as to the film writers' situation, though I'd imagine it's the same principle?
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I would find it very disturbing if the winners of the Golden Globes, the ones who didn't want to be there for the actual show, would actually accept their awards. It's like, "I refuse to go to the awards because I'm respecting and supporting the writers - but hey, I'll have me one of those shiny awards please, it'll look so great on me mantelpiece!"
Talk about double standards, you know!
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Post subject: Posted: January 11th, 2008, 9:33 am |
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I find the Golden Globe (or Oscars, SAG etc) to be more than just receiving an award. It's commending for their world, and it's other actors together to support one another, respect one another. It's tradition, it's probably the only times in a year where you interact with other actors.
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Post subject: Posted: January 11th, 2008, 11:04 am |
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It's also about praising the people who work with actors but don't always get the credit.
I think strike or no strike, everyone should accept their awards. Life shouldn't stand still because a group of people decide to strike.
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Post subject: Posted: January 13th, 2008, 10:13 pm |
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Taurquende wrote: Now that's my understanding of the TV writers, I'm not quite as clear as to the film writers' situation, though I'd imagine it's the same principle? Probably, 'cause you can buy movies online now, but I'd guess they're mainly striking in support of the TV writers. They're all part of the same Guild, after all.
There was actually a thing on Sunday Morning earlier today about the Writer's Strike, did anyone see it? They basically said that while TV's getting slammed, the film industry doesn't have much to worry about, really, since they stockpile scripts.
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Post subject: Posted: January 13th, 2008, 10:48 pm |
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Well...did anyone WATCH the conference tonight?
Can I just say...it was a BIT awkward. I felt really bad for those announcing the awards. And I suppose it just felt so awkward because we're all used to a big celebration and it was just a press conference.
Well, congrats to the winners! (I'm really happy for Johnny Depp and Sweeney Todd)
Let's hope this strike gets resolved soon. *nod nod*
Just as a sidenote, The SAG (Screen Actors Guild) Awards ARE going to happen. As are the Grammy's.
The Oscar's are still scheduled to air as it normally does...but anything can happen. _________________ "So what? So plenty!"
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Post subject: Posted: January 13th, 2008, 11:56 pm |
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Haha! I checked out IMDB as well! I'm kind of disappointed that Juno didn't come out with any good wins, but YAY Sweeney Todd and ÜBER YAY Atonement!!!
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Post subject: Posted: January 14th, 2008, 2:13 am |
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I'm just gonna pop in here and say this because it's been kinda on my mind... I don't have a problem with these award shows, but really I have a question... it's all good that the Hollywood community can get together and congratulate each other and all that, I don't have a problem with any of that. But why does it seem to be... well, fickle and rigged? I mean all these movies getting awards and yet some of the biggest movies of the year have been left out to let in some of these movies I've never even heard of!?  where's Harry Potter, Pirates, Spider-Man? You can't tell me that they don't deserve ten times the credit that some of these rather small (not Sweeney or Atonement or anything, but the REALLY small ones) movies get. I mean I'm sure their directors and writers and other actors deserve at least nominations! I mean... sometimes it's kinda obvious that they're better actors than some that they do nominate. That's just what's always confused and annoyed me when it's come to these things. I know they want to give everyone a fair chance, but that doesn't meant they need to leave out the bigger movies that really do deserve something. that's why I tend to stick with the viewer’s choice award shows... because they seem more 'real' and 'true'.  I don't mean to make fun or dis anyone, it's just always made me wonder about Hollywood prejudices when all these big movies get forgotten and the little ones get praised like it's no tomorrow.... and I'd like someone to put in their POV on the whole thing... maybe clear it up for me? I don't mean to argue, like I said before... so I hope no one takes this the wrong way. 
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