I'm with you. They never bothered me immensely or anything, they just weren't my favorite part and their story has been wrapped up nicely. It would be silly if they returned now with the way we left them. And like you said, t hey wanted to go on and do other things anyway.

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They don't have to bring Will and Elizabeth specifically back. I agree that they completely wrapped that story up, especially since Orlando and Keira have moved on. But they do need something more serious to contrast the silliness, I think. Disney knows that most people just want to see Johnny Depp play Jack Sparrow again, so I'm concerned they'll just phone in the plot, counting on the movie being popular (and more importantly to them, making money) as long as Johnny gets enough screen time. They've done it before, and they'll do it again. Now I love watching Jack and Barbossa fight too, but I don't want the movie to be just one long excuse for it, with a plot so predictable you can see the end from a mile off, and nothing more important on the line than the characters getting rich.

In short, I just think the film needs more substance than that, so that when you get to the end you feel like you've really been somewhere and done something.

It's not that I'm hopelessly cynical about it, though. They've brought back the same writers and producer that gave us three fantastic films, so I'm optimistic about the fourth.

On the subject of Johnny leaving... maybe it's just my obviously low opinion of Disney talking, but I think I read that Johnny called this guy "the only friend [he] had at the company," and one of the few people who trusted his interpretation of Jack Sparrow. Besides, I can imagine he would be a little reluctant to work for a company that fired his friend. The question is whether this reluctance overpowers his desire to play Jack Sparrow again.
In my opinion (not that I know the intimate thoughts of Johnny Depp ), it doesn't, because he has so much fun playing Jack, and he knows his fans really want to see him play Jack again.

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I have no strong feelings one way or another on the news that a fourth Pirates will be made. I loved CotBP. But thought the next two were... lacking. And, honestly, I think this one will be lacking as well. The sucky thing is, I know I'll end up going to see this movie. And I think that's why Disney's doing this. They know there's still money to be made from this franchise. People will go to see this movie, not for the story, but for the characters. Some people might be content with simply seeing Jack and Barbossa have at it, others may not be... but, it doesn't matter, in this case. Disney'll still get money from it. People like me, who have low expectations at the get-go, will still pay for admission, because, well... it's Johnny Depp returning as Jack Sparrow. I wanna see that.
I think it's stupid how company's can't just stop after one movie. I mean, really... if you don't have a story to tell, don't tell it. But... company's know people who saw the first, will have to see the second, and then the third, and so on and so forth.

Anyways, all that cynicism aside, Johnny Depp is amazing. I honestly can't see him walking out of this, at this point...

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lol, is that a good thing or a bad thing, JF?

Yeah, exactly. This is an old, Hollywood thing, you think?

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Uh... I guess that's a good thing. Presumming those millions of people were correct in their thinking.

Really? So... from the get-go actors would agree to play characters for however many movies the company wanted to put out... and the actors couldn't back out of that deal?

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Aw, well, thank you.

You mean, they told the actors all these things? And the actors just went along with it? ... I guess they wouldn't really have much of a choice. Wait, so actors would just sign contracts agreeing to work for a company, and not know what they were specifically signing up for? How did Hollywood change all that, more reccently?

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But Goatcloset, without the release of the 2nd movie, we wouldn't have had Beckett. And that would make me a very sad Ara.

So, does anyone know if this is going to be based off of the novel of the same name? In which case, I believe Blackbeard is going to be in it.... See, that's what would bother me; having real life pirates getting involved in a work of fiction... I dunno, it would just ruin it for me, I think. And it would show a definite lack of creativity. I mean, there are millions of fresh characters waiting to be written... Maybe I'm just ranting, but I think there should be a line between fiction and reality.

And as for being suckered in, I'm sure it's going to happen to every single <i>Pirates</i> fan out there; once the trailers come out and spoilers float this way and that, everyone is going to want to see it regardless of how they felt in the beginning. Because that's what it was like with the other two for the most of us. Even all of you that said you didn't like 2 & 3, you still saw them. And I think Disney feels that way as well - as long as they're making money, they'll be happy whether you are or not.

Again, just my thoughts about this. I'll still be seeing it regardless, I'm sure.

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I'm extremely pessimistic about it, and I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one! I don't know. The trilogy followed the story of a number of characters, not just Jack Sparrow. I mean, the film started off with Will Turner and Elizabeth Swann for goodness sakes, and Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightley aren't even involved (which btw, good decisions on their part). Keira's got a bright future in the movie business, and I doubt she wants to still be known as "Elizabeth Swann: Pirate Lord".

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I definitely have mixed feelings about this film. Don't get me wrong, any new Pirates movie is good and exciting, but I'm afraid I just won't like this one. Everything was wrapped up so well after AWE, and I just don't know what to expect with this one. It will be very odd not to have Will and Elizabeth included in the story . . .

Yep, you could be signed to something like 8 movies in 5 years and often you were given the role whether you wanted it or not, although you could try and get a particular role and sometimes studios would swap actors, so if MGM wanted someone for a film from Studio X and Studio X wanted someone from MGM, they would swap so each actor could do the films for the other studio.

I think the regime began to break down in the late 40's early 50's, where more and more actors realised they were the ones in power to be able to say what they should and shouldn't do. By the late 50's the power of the studios had pretty much gone, which was probably a good and a bad thing.

Anyway....

I'm still not sure about this film, but I am prepared to give it a chance. Will and Elizabeth's story may have ended, but after all, Jack's hasn't and he is the true pirate of Pirates of the Caribbean.

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