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Post subject:  Posted: May 25th, 2007, 4:50 pm |
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Johnny's Fan wrote: Ms.Gamgee wrote: Wake up Ms.G wake up...he's not dead, he's not dead....he's not dead, its only a dream, only a dream...
You guys don't know how much that hurt, to see him die...like that. So unheroically, so.....ungloriously, and the fact that i sat there and bawled for 15 minutes while no one else cared. >.< I'll find my post about what I thought about his death, and hopefully you can take some comfort in the fact that I feel the bloody same.
Here you go.Quote: Ok, first off I'm going to discuss what I didn't like about it. I was having a great time, I thought it was shaping up to be the best of the three.... and then they killed off my hubby. As you can probably imagine this did not please me one bit. The happy smile was wiped off my face, my arms no longer enjoying the cinema chair's armrest, were now folded and my position changed from the bolt upright to the slouched. Not to mention the curses I muttered under my breath.
Shall I tell you why I hated Norrington's death (apart from the fact it was Norrington)?
1. What was the point of his death? Was it to save someone? Did he sacrafice himself in the fight against evil? No. He was killed for no reason whatsoever. He had already ensured Elizabeth would be safe, so why did he not follow her? Why did he not jump overbaord and got with her and join the "right side"? And why was his death, possibly the most disturbing of all the deaths in Pirates?
2. As if to add salt into the wound he was killed by someone who later on was deemed almost a hero or a good person. Perhaps Norrington's death would have been easier if he had at least been killed A) for a reason or B) by someone who is really a villain, such as Jones. Having Bootsrap kill him for no reason, makes you wonder why they decided to have Norrington in the film at all. If all he was going to do was die at the hands of Will's dad.
3. Why was he forgotten? Elizabeth must have had some idea what happened to him and even if she didn't would Beckett not have missed a certain Admiral who was no longer around?
One of the worst things that can happen in a film is a character that you love ends up dying..... but it is even worse when said character is killed not by the vilain, but someone who has a happy ending, they are killed just so the death count in the film is higher and then they are completely forgotten about after they have shuffled off this mortal coil.
I think they way the writers, or whoever have treated his character should be ashamed of themselves. His death benifted no-one so why should he die in such a cold blooded way? Did the writers add him in the script only to discover many pages later they had forgotten to mention him again, so decided to kill off the character to save them actually having to write something decent about it?
James Norrington played an important part in the first two films, especially the second. He was a noble character and a good man. I think it's a great shame that such a character was written off for the sake of emotional impact and then not even remembered.
I would rather has not seen him in this film, if he was just a tool to add a bit if seriousness to the films.
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 4:51 pm |
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Goodness you guys post a lot in such a short time.. well, just briefly skimmed trhough the posts.
Aye, I liked Tia Dalma (in fact I LUUV her accent!), but honestly... making the sea godess into a giant.. doll... come on... I would have preferred to see her turning into jelly fish right on the spot... just anything but a Hagrid-ish giant female King Kong...
And yes.. I never was a Will+Elisabeth fan but I've gotta agree.. the wedding was great. Loved the scene around it, how they did the whole choreography and timing and having the two (or three) fighting to compliment each other. Beautiful! *applauds*
And another thing.. Elisabeth's speech before the final battle... I'm one of those people who find her character wuite annoying, but I must admit it was a good speech... cheers to the script writers.. for once!  _________________ >>Be the change you wish to see in the world<<
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 5:04 pm |
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omg omg!!!!! haha i loved htat movie so much!!! the sad thign was i was 2 minutes late and missed the very very beginning. what was it?
yeah that tia dalma thing was kinna weird. i expected her to turn into a fish/ocean lady or sumthing
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omg i absolutely loved that movie!!!! it was so great how it was fuuny, had action, and it re-introduced some old characters that wern't in DMC!! and everyting was great!!!! but i have to say my fav part was when all the pirates were raising thier colours and they all were different. the thing thats cool is all of those flags really existed.
it was relaly sad when tia and davy were talking ot each other. why couldn't htey just work things out? i'm sure they could have. then davy would still be alive  and when davy was playing on the organ with the music necklace (i'm so glad that's in teh soundtrack  ) and he had tears! that almost made me cry!
i also liek the up is down. that was great. so was the whole adventure thing to davy's locker. that was great.
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 5:14 pm |
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Well, she was Calypso, and Calypso wasn't a fish person. She wasn't even a sea nymph!
She was naiad, and they presided over fountains, springs, streams and the like. She was the daughter of Atlas, that guy who held up the world, and side tracked Odysseus for seven years then was ordered to let him go by Zeus then supposidly died of grief.
So, the PotC guys totally blew her mythological character out of the water. *lol*
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 5:19 pm |
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As the Godess of the Sea Calypso would be able to take any sea-like form she wanted (perhaps even any form she wanted... dunno much about sea godesses!).
I was wondering... would Davy Jones be as good playing the piano when he was human than when he was all cuttlefishy? (Meh... those tentacles give me the creeps *shudder*) *cough* Lol... I mean... ehh.... hands and tentacles are clearly not the same! _________________ >>Be the change you wish to see in the world<<
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 5:39 pm |
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:::Spoilers:::
Okay, I have a few questions.
First, what was Sao Feng talking about when he called Elizabeth "Calypso" before he died?
Secondly, why couldn't Elizabeth come aboard the Flying Dutchman so as to stay with Will? Was that just because she didn't want to? Or was something preventing her from doing so?
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 6:00 pm |
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okay so i went to the midnight showing and it was great..
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<b>OKay someone needs to answer my questions</b>
Will someon PLEASE explain to me the whole calypso thing?? and what they meant by freeing her? And the thing about davey jones bretraying her??
what was wrong with Will (the dad) why he kept reapting himself. When Elzi was asking him about will. And why he was acting so strangely and he killed James Norrington I didn't see that coming. I thought he would never do that. THink the father changed??
so did Barbossa and Tia Dalma have a thing??
was Jack dilusional when he was in the locker?
gosh Geoffrey Rush was amazing in this movie! other then that the movie was really funny!
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 6:13 pm |
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:::Spoiler:::
I'm afraid I can only answer the 1st question.
Calypso was a sea goddess who fell in love with Davy Jones, who betrayed her by telling the Pirate Lords how to bind her in the human form of Tia Dalma. So then the Pirate Lord decided to release her (by burning the 9 peices of whatever, and saying the words), hoping that she would help them fight Becket.
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 6:14 pm |
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Warning Major Spoilers throughtout this entire post! ***
Thethain, Sao Feng assumed that Elizabeth was Calypso (because Barbossa had told them that Calypso was with them in human form). However Elizabeth really was not Calypso of course. I hope that helps.
Then as for Elizabeth not being able to go with Will onto the Dutchman...I figured that it might kill her (since Will was in a way dead as were the rest of the crew) so it would like kill her some how. Or it had something to do with the mythology. I am not really sure. Sorry that i could not be of more assitentence.
Lady of Taniquetil It showed a bunch of pirates/people who acted like pirates/people who had been in association with pirates being hanged. Then a little boy was brought to be hanged, they got him a box to stand on, and he started to sing, one of the English guards told Becket that they had started to sing (some kind of pirate song), the others joined in singing, and Becket replied with, "finaly". I hope that that helps.
Mrs. Gamgee, Well there might not have been anyone other than yourself at your theatre who was upset about Norrington's death but there were at least three (my younger sister, my mum, and my self) + at mine. So he did/does have fans. I truely am sorry that he died to you and all of his other many fans. (hands Mrs. Gamgee a cookie)
JF, Very good point. She was going to go back for him...Norrington is so heroic for shooting the rope. He was so loyal to Elizabeth. I love Norrington! Well, I guess that you could. However I don't. (shrugs) Then again I am a bit biased.
Once again you have a great point. They did seem to go a little bit crazy with the killing of the characters in this. Very....strange...morbid in way...
I totally agree. Her becoming a giant, was much too far. Boring, I say.
Nice theory. I think that it might have been better had it have been Bootstrap who stabbed the heart too.
Oh I missed the last scene. Thank you a hundred times over for posting it for us. I am so happy about that. Will and Elizabeth did have a family just like I said that I wanted them to! (cries tears of joy and happy dances)
Well I can see where you are coming from. However I think that Will's "death" scene was still my favorite. (shrugs) It was dramatic, suspenseful, romantic (in a weird way). I liked that about it. (laughs I watch too many soap operas...laughs)
Allright as for Sao Feng, I did not like him. I am not a major fan of Elizabeth's but he still treated her very badly. Plus I don't really know what it was about that character but he annoyed. I think that it might have been because we were allready in the third (probabley finaly PotC film) and they introduced a charcter for no other reason than to give Elizabeth more power. Her having a bit more power was fine with me I supose. However introducing a character and making him seem so importent (spenind like 22 + minutes on getting to where he was and having him talk to them) seemed a bit much to me. I would have preffered that they just left him out. So them killing him didn't really bother me. (shrugs)
Okay I have to know is there anyone else here who is furious at Bootstrap Bill? I know that I am. I have totally decided that I hate him with my whole heart. He tried to kill Will, stop Will from getting to the heart, abandoned his son to go pirating, and killed Norrington!  He is my most hated character by far. _________________ Destiny I'm a Christian boycrazy girl. Will Turner's wife ^&?   Avatar by JF, banners by Taurquende, Nurrantiel Mashiara, Silme Meleth TarNymphadora, and JF taught me how to use banners. Thanks to all!
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 6:32 pm |
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@ Port Oliver - Hmm... well I can't honestly agree with you when you say the ends were all "wrapped up". How can Will romaing the seas forever, and only being able to step on land once every 10 years be wrapped up? He will live forever, Elizabeth will die.
And Jones was only fierce and as he was, beause he failed to do the task that has been appointed to him - ferry the dead to the other side. As long as Will does this he will be fine.
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@ Ms. G - Ah, Ok. I know, I know what you feel like. 
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@ Ea - Yes, indeed we do.  Oh, I like Tia as well. Her accent is brilliant. As I've said before.... and I'll probably have to say again, lol I didn't mind the fact she turned into crabs (as she is the sea goddess, waves would have been better) the giant thing was just dumb though. Real dumb.
Well.... I was only really watching Barbossa during that scene. He was great. I think I'm getting a thing for him.  I think that's pretty scary myself but what can I do? But it was a wonderful scene, and it was well done.
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@ Lady of Taniquetil - Erm..the beginning was basically all these Pirates being hung, and an order was read out which said that any form of trial they would normally receive, was being removed so Beckett was literally exucuting anyone who had anything to do with Pirates. A young boy stepped up to the gallows and he started singing a Pirate shanty, and all the other pirates joined in, hence the singing of the coins. When the song is sung in such circumstances, it manages to alert pirates that they need to stand together.... that what I think anyway.
Yes, it was sad between him and Tia, but I think they had both changed too much to be together.
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@ Ea - LOL! Now that is a question I have never asked myself! What have I been missing.  Maybe he taught himself after he became a squid.
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@ TheThain - Well, Barbossa had made Sao believe that Elizabeth was Calypso (when she wan't). I can't remember the conversations but that's why Sao thought Elizabeth was she.
Well, I think Bootstrap said that were they were going she couldn't follow - presumbably where they have to go to fetch the dead, a mortal can't go there. I'm not too sure about that though. It was never explained.
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@ LOTRFreak - Ok. Well Calpso was the goddess of the sea and she could take on any form she wanted. We are presuming when she was in human form, she met Davy Jones and they fell in love. He waited 10 years until he could go on land and meet her again, but when he went there, she was not there to meet him. So, he got angry and he tore out his heart because the pain she caused him as too much. But, about this time the Pirates wanted the claim and tame the sea, so Jones betrayed her by telling the Pirates where she was/or how to tame her. So, she was put via a ritual into the body of Tia Dalma. Therefore the Goddess of the Sea was no longer roaming the seas, so the Pirates ruled it, as it were. But now, they realised that she should be released to roam the seas, as she could help them in their fight against Beckett.
His father had begun more and more like the really old pirate in DMC (the one who was part of the wall). Possibly die to the fact he lost hope that he would be rescued as he thought Will was dead. So in other words he was losing himself more and more to the Dutchman, so he could barely remember who he was or what he had just said. All he knew was his duty to the ship and the captain.
No, I don't think I got that impression. I think Tia brought him back, because she needed him (and Jack) to be at the Pirates council to free her, so he knew what she wanted from him, who she was and what needed doing.
Yes! He was going mad with the heat, and no breeze and everything. hHe was still suffering from that all through the film, hence the multiple Jacks.
 Wasn't he just? I love Barbossa so much!
@ DD - *sniff* Yes, he was. And they finally kissed!! 
Yes, I pretty much hate his dad as well. 
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 6:54 pm |
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okay thank you JF!
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Will I thought i got that impression because Tia and Barbossa were in the bakc of the ship and they were talking. I don't remember what happened but he liked grabbed her hand and she said something and it turn all skeleton again!
so the sea goddess and Davey Jones fell in love, while he was captain of the dutchman? and when she touched him he turned back into his human formed? so was that what he looked like before her turned all fishy like?
though, i have to agrue with the person who said they would rather see tia turn into a big fish then a giant. I thought that part was kinda wierd!
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 7:09 pm |
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******SPOILER WARNING*********
OMG!!!!!! *dies ------ wakes up -------dies again*
Well, everyone else is dying and becomes alive again, so why can't I? lol
My thoughts:
Okay, I went and saw the 1:30 veiwing of the movie and I just got back about an hour or so ago and oh my gosh!!! I loved it! It was the most surprising movie, yet though. So many plot twists.
Though, what I hoped happened. Will and Elizabeth got married!!!! YES! My mom said she and Jack would get together, but my hopes proved to provail! I loved that entire scene, with them fighting and get married at the same time. I wish my wedding could be that cool! No dresses or anything! 
But, them having to be seprated just came out of the water in complete surprise! I had no slightest idea or even the slighest hunch that that would happen. I was so mad! I mean, they finally marry and then in order so they wouldn't be seprated by Will dying (which I will discuss more later in this post), Will has to stab the heart so that he can live and still love Elizabeth, but now he can only see her once every 10 years! So no matter what path they chose, they would have been seprated...the only difference was either being seprated for eternity or for long periods of time.
Now, Will dying was also a complete blow. I mean, come on, Davy Jones doesn't have a heart at all, and if he still would have had it in him, it would have been black, purely black! He saw that they loved one another and yet still wanted to seprate them, now that's cold. But my mom pointed out to me, that in that moment, right after Davy stabbed Will, and Jack and Elizabeth where both flabbergasted, I was sitting there thinking, "Kill Davy, Jack, do it!" But my mom said that he really is an honorable man, because he figured out that the only way to save Will was to give up immortality and give it to Will.
I have to say, though, Will looked really hot with the bandana and the bloody scar on his chest.  (lol)
I also loved all the battlescenes in the storm with the whirlpool. Now, that was cool. Imagine, fighting in that! That's something different, something you don't usually see in movies.
It was sad to see that Davy had to kill the Kraken. I mean, it was so powerful and so cool, and I can see why Beckett wanted to kill the Kraken, but still...even though it was evil, I'll miss it.
And seeing Norrington (sp?) finally go to the right side was pretty cool, even if it was only for a moment before he died. I can't believe Bootstrap killed him! I mean, Bootstrap is really losing it this movie in the head...But, all I can say is, I think Norrington was happy before he died because he:
A) Saved Elizabeth.
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B) Got to kiss her.
Which, by the way, how many different guys has Elizabeth kissed in these movies? 4????
On Bootstrap, it's really weird. I think he was about to permantly become a part of the ship when Elizabeth found him. And, I mean, at first he thinks Will is here to rescue him, then he's mad, then he forgets and starts over again, and then he kills James and alerts Davy Jones about Elizabeth and her crew (that sounds cool to say) escaping, then he tries to kill his own son, then he tries to kill the guy that killed his son, and then he cuts out his son's own heart! I mean, come on! Will saved his life from Davy and I don't even think he said "Thank you."
The other cool thing is that both Elizabeth and Will became a Captain of a ship for one time or another. I liked that, both of them getting to become Captains. It was cool. Captain Elizabeth Turner and Captain William Turner. Yes, I like...lol
The meeting of the Pirate Lords were cool too, though the French one just looked weird. I hope French guys don't really look like that... 
All in all, I liked the movie. But my mom said that they aren't making a 4th one, that that's the end. Is it true? I mean, I don't know how they could contiune, but still...I will miss those movies.... _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: May 25th, 2007, 7:37 pm |
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*spoiler*
^yeah I noticed that, I thought that was kinda wierd. Orli should never get a piercing.
I liked the arabian pirate lord. and his skeey low voice. and the french guys :0
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