Yeah, I can't believe nudity and such would ever be G-rated, but as you said, standards are different in America.

I agree that the scene in Pirates wasn't a true 'scene', but as it was implied, it was pretty close. So some squirminess was to be expected from viewers expecting the PG13 rating to come from action and language alone.

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the same with me....it wasn't so much i had a problem with it. it was just weird to see it. i mean like others have said. look at the characters. the characters we are use to are these nice, some what inocent people ( not inocent in terms of pirating)...but inocent in a way you would never imagin them being so openly intamate with each other. ( if any of that made sence)

to me that scene was just un will/elizabeth. it was just unexpected.

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Sorry if I was unclear! When I said "sex scene" as I also said "as close as they could get" because it seemed to me that they really wanted to put one in there, but were worried about it getting rated R. And I don't think of Elizabeth as Will's wench either, but when I saw that my immediate thought was of Jack's scene. And then, to top it all off, they get in a scene of Jack and the ladies from Tortuga right after that. It's just... unnerving, I suppose.



First of all, very well said. But like I said before, it's an aspect of that love that I think we as an audience didn't really need to see. I didn't prove to me that their love was any deeper than I thought it was, and I don't think it would prove it to the other middle school-to-college aged kids at which this movie is primarily aimed at. I can't say I can speak for adults.

And thank you for being respectful. I too am trying to be open-minded, and I like how this thread's sort of been taken to another level of thinking.


Very different! That's unbelievable! In America, if a movie has any nudity or blood at all it's sure to be rated PG-13. In fact, once I watched an extra on a PG rated movie of an interview with the director, and he was told he couldn't use the words "death" and "kill" so much, or it would get rated PG-13. That's a little extreme, but it shows our standards. I think the philosophy here is "Better safe than sorry."

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Personally, I didn't have a problem with the scene I'm assuming we're speaking of. It showed enough without showing too much. Yes, their was a bit of squirminess on my part, but it was a touching scene and I actually enjoyed it a lot.

Will and Liz don't have to kiss to show they love eachother. In many stories I've read where two lovers have been kept apart for so long, the fact that they can just touch eachother in a loving way is enough for them. Of course it did imply rather a lot, but not in a very untactful way.

Thank you, JF! I spent about an hour on those two posts each trying to think of the best way to phrase things so they'd come across right.

I've been trying to think this through some more, and another factor that bothered me was how happy Elizabeth was. I mean, I wasn't expecting so suggestive a scene when I saw Will putting his boots on, but it didn't really weigh very heavily on me. (After all, it was quite tame, even for a PG-13 movie.) Then Elizabeth turns up all playful and flirty. Why? That bothered me. If it was sunset and I was about to be seperated from my true love for ten years, I'd be positively depressed. They did show her crying out for him and kissing him that last time, but they didn't really follow through with that at all. Maybe I just like tragedies and tear-jerkers, but it was tragic and they didn't treat it that way at all.

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I don't know if you'd be positively depressed after spending the day alone on a beach with your true love, though I don't think I would. I think she sounded pretty torn up about it when he's walking away and she says "Will!" and runs to him to kiss him before he goes. Besides, I don't know if I would quite grasp it if I were her - all in one day, she married, saw her husband die, found out he was the captain of the Flying Dutchman and was undead, and she could have one day with him. When my RP character had a day like that she was pretty insanely confused and what would have been a shock didn't shock her as much because she was already dealing with so much (actually, she ended up bursting into tears ).

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I agree about the final kiss, I was adding the last two sentences when you posted. I guess because I'm such a worrier, if I were her I'd always be thinking about the fact I wasn't going to see him again for ten years. That's what would make me depressed.

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JF, Thank you very much. Actualy there have been several who still question his paternity. In fact this one girl that I know (she is a teenager as well...so it is not like she is eight or something) asked how the child could be Will's when he is "dead". My mouth fell open. It might have been a bit mean but I could not help it. Then when I pointed the scene out, I think that she got it though. I think that without that scene few people would have let William III's paternity go without question...many, many questions. lol
You are absolutely not alone in that.

Phoenix, Okay thank you for answering my question.

Tauruende, Though I do not agree with you on everything, I do agree with you on Elizabeth's behavior throughout the movies and her not being upset at the end of At world's end. If I had been Elizabeth I would have been a nervous wreck. I mean just crying a river of tears. You knew that this was the last day that you were going to have to spend with your husband for the next ten years. Dude, that is a really long time. Personaly I would not have been so flirty at that point. I would have been upset and just wanting to sit down and let him hold me as we watched the waves crash upon the shore. Maybe I am an unpassionate romantic but that is how I would have felt. In honesty scenes like that were a big reason why I am not a major fan of Elizabeth's. At times she just seems so unrealistic...so inhuman. Her lack tears throughout At world's end Really bothered me. She did not shed a tear when her father died (the anchor in her life), when Norrington (one who had lost everything because of her and still loved her with his entire heart and died protecting her) died, when Will "died" (once again protecting her), and only shed two or three when Will (the love of her life, that she had given up so much to be with) had to depart for ten years. It was as if she was disconnected from the entire world around her...and that bothered me...alot.

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Or maybe Keira Knightley is just bad at crying. Actually, I can't exactly remember her crying like, at all during the other two.

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And thats what we must remember you guys, is where everyone of us was raised, and brought up, and the standards set for movies in our countries. Everyone is going to have different opinions, and thoughts, because of how they were raised.

I'm sorry, but Keria is bad at crying, i dont ever remember seeing her crying... in any of the three movies. ever.

But... she cried when she saw her dad passing by in the boat, didn't she? Or was it more like mournful outbursts?

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Now that you mention it I have never seen her cry in any movies before either. I did not mind not seeing her cry in the first two Pirates of the Caribbean movies though. To me they seemed less emtional (from Elizabeth's point of view). However there was a serious need for tears and the lack there of really bothered me. (no offence to her fans.) I would never change Elizabeth's actress (as I have said before) but I would really appreciate it if she would work on the tears. Just my opinion. (shrugs)
Okay this is a bit off topic...but I was wondering if you had to describe each of the three main characters and Norrington each in one sentence what would that sentence be?

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Everyone handles and reacts to things differently. No one way of showing grief and loss is better than the other. Saying "if it was me" carries very little weight, because she was written that way for a reason. You don't have to like her, or any of her actions. But the fact is, what you see is what you get.

Perhaps also the lack of tears were written that way on purpose.

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Besides for all we know she could have been "cried out". As Melda said, Elizabeth has just been through the most terrifying and trying time of her life. After all that she must have been absolutely emotionally drained. Sometimes even if you want to cry, you can't, because you've gone through so much already. I also think that besides the emotional drain she went through, Elizabeth has also accepted the fact that she won't see Will for 10 years. She doesn't cry because she knows it won't be the end and that they'll see eachother again. When you think of it that way, things tend to brighten up a bit.