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Post subject:  Posted: March 30th, 2007, 11:18 am |
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@Potr: *round of applause* Well you certainly deserve your award potr!  After reading your whole post, i'm kind of tired!  But I totally agree with you on everything, especially the Will part!
@Banana Republic: Oh that part in the movie I was like "What is Orlando doing?" it looked really dumb to me, but that was one of the few acting corrections I would have done. They picked an excellent cast who played their parts excpectionally well. (I especially love Beckett....he was awesome!;))
@Sephiroth: Well I can't argure about the funny scenes being stupid. It's your opinion about that. But about the kiss scene.....how else was she supposed to get Jack to go down with the ship like a true Captain? If he had gone with them, they would all be in Davy Jones Locker with Jack. That kiss was the only way to get him unawares so she could chain him up. Well yes PotC will replace LotR for a while.....the same that happened with Narnia, Harry Potter, Star Wars, Eragon, and all those other new fanstasy movies. Lord of the Rings is quite old, and will be masked over. But nobody can beat it in it's plot, story, characters, actors, directing, awards, popularity...nothing can beat LotR...it just might replace it for a while.
About Eowyn, I think she is Mary-sue...but that's me. In the book, no. In the movie, oh yes! In the movie they made her a lovesick puppy that just wants to be with Aragorn all the time. She does fight, and in those scenes she's good, but otherwise she want to be haning all over Aragorn. But also I wouldn't blame Pete to much.....I mean I know I couldn't have directed a movie of that scale!
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Post subject: Posted: March 30th, 2007, 11:42 am |
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Oh pooey!
I've just read every single post in this thread, shows you how much I have to do on a Friday morning.
And POTR, jeez girl, you took thw words right out of my mouth. I applaud you for a lovely little speech there.
Shy, I really think you should try watching the movi, I mean, seriously it won't cost you SO much of your time, and in the end it's great fun. And even if you think it won't be any fun, you may like it, and if you don't like it: well then, at least you'll have a reason not to.
Shadowcat: I also think it's really odd that you think Johnny Depp did bad in POTC! COnsidering that an actor has never been nominated Best Actor for a comedy award....then I think he's doing pretty darn well as Jack. I man, he's hilarious and grotesque all at the same time. He's.....Jack Sparrow, and if the movie isn't epic, then Johnny Depp has certainley created an epic character, Jack Sparrow's gonna be here forever.
As for Kiera Knightley, like POTR said you're totally entitled to your own opinion, but saying Kiera Knightley can't act is much too harsh. If she couldn't act, she wouldn't have been nominated for an Acadamy Award for best actress (granted it was for Pride and Prejudice, but it was her nonetheless.
and everyone stop hating on poor William! *huggles Will*
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Banana_Republic wrote: I personally love the pirates movies but I can't stand Will. It has to do with both all of the attention he gets just because he's played by Orlando Bloom and the little things his character does. For instance when he made it to the canibal island and he was calling for Jack, Orlando did this extremely acted out body movement that irked me so much. I remember thinking in the theatre about how it took me out of the movie because it just seemed so acted.
Wew I've been waiting to get that out for ages lol.
*high fives Banana*
I have to agree with you there, totally. I think the character of Will, in another person's hands would have been a much better and stronger hero than the Will we have to put up with. I've always wondered why Orlando played Will with a Legolas accent - I've heard his RL accent and to me, that would have suited the role of a blacksmith better. Orlando is not the best actor on the planet, neither is he the worst, but a better actor would have been able to compete with Johnny Depp's Jack. Will is the hero but he is definitely overshadowed by Jack in evey single scene. And I don't believe that is the fate the writers intended for Will.
I can't really remember that scene that bugs you Banana, but next time I watch it I'll look out for it.
@ Pirates - but didn't Ian McKellen have a ping pong ball on a stick as a referance for the Balrog? And the Balrog is a huge beast, so he too, could not have known exactly where to look._________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: March 30th, 2007, 1:49 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: March 30th, 2007, 1:57 pm |
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I don't believe Ian McKellen prior to working on LOTR had to deal with many films containing blue/green screens. Whereas with Orlando, he had come from working with lots of them in LOTR, therefore he would have had experience with these methods.
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Post subject: Posted: March 30th, 2007, 2:14 pm |
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Well Orlando hasn't done that much blue/green screen work either. In Lord of the Rings, he was only in front of a screen if he had to shoot a scene that included the hobbits as their original actors, not scale doubles. Other than that acting, and some in the paths of the dead, Orlando hasn't really done much screen acting.
I thought Orlando did an excellent job acting Will.....I want to see someone else do it better and then I may think otherwise.
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Post subject: Posted: March 30th, 2007, 2:16 pm |
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Post subject: ~Maranwethiel~ Posted: March 30th, 2007, 2:45 pm |
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Oh my gosh...you are DEFINATELY not alone...I absolutely hate PotC... 
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Post subject: Posted: March 30th, 2007, 3:51 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: March 30th, 2007, 4:10 pm |
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ok, Darky is here to try her own words on whay she likes PotC
*screams* someone said that PotC has bad morals, and i do believe that the morals are the same as any of these great epics you talk about. Sacrificing yourself for the greater good. Every single decent epic has that as a main or very important moral thank you very much.
Sure maybe saving the world of pirates isn't the most noble or heroic thing, but there are other greater goods out there. Take Norry, doing all he can to save Liz, and doing even more once he finds out that she doesnt love him.
and the whole Jack/Liz kiss, please already, can we get over it? She did it for a reason, she does not love Jack(gladly) and probably never will1 Clearly, a few of you need to watch the AWE trailer.
Who cares if people are drooling, for peats sake, people drool over several people in LotR, and i dont see you making a big fuss out of that! Maybe to some people think its worth getting into.
There are a lot more gross "monsters" in LotR than PotC, so watch where you lay your words.
Your opinion, nothing more, lots of Disney sequels have done terrible, but apparently DMC did well. Critics know nothing.
ok ok, so Orli messed up on his blue/green screen, i noticed it as well and i just brushed it off, every actor is entitled to a little bad acting.
Davy is Shmexy! *bows to Davy greatness*
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Post subject: Posted: March 30th, 2007, 4:23 pm |
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Quote: and the whole Jack/Liz kiss, please already, can we get over it? She did it for a reason, she does not love Jack(gladly) and probably never will1
well i think it sick and thats my opinion 
and i think people make too much a fuss about POTC and its dumb. and they shouldnt be marketing POTC to little kids.  _________________ 
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^As I already said, about Jack and Elizabeth. A) It was just for Elizabeth to catch Jack unawares so she and the rest of the crew could get away from the kraken....that's it! All! Done! B)It's also for promotional... if you saw the trailer, there is a flash of Jack and Lizzy kissing, so everyone who saw the first movie is gonna be like? WHAT?!?! And you're going to have to see the movie just to see what happens! That's the same with DMC... if you saw it, you're gonna have to see what happens in AWE, just out of curiousity.
Well it depends on who the parents of said kids are. The parent has to let their "little kids" see it, by bringing them to it, or letting them watch it. And also what do you call "Little kids"? I know a 2nd grader who say The Passion of the Christ, an R rated movie. PotC is only PG-13 for scary images, the same as LotR, and I know 4 year olds that have seen LotR. PotC is just as bad a LotR, Star Wars, and lots of other movies.
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sure, its gross for a Willabeth shipper, but it happened.
its a Disney movie, and every time a Disney movie comes out, people think its a family movie, and it just so happens that this one may not be perfect for little kids. Or i think that what you should be saying is that "PotC can affect those that are easily scared or very sensitive to gore etc." i know kids that have seen more R rated movies than me, and are fine. So really PotC is fine, if you think that your child can handle the gore, and the semi-mature theme things. Its not that big of a deal.
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Post subject: Posted: March 30th, 2007, 7:55 pm |
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Well, honestly, I wouldn't even like them if it wasn't for Captain Jack. Will and Elizabeth are just too boring. But anyways, I totally understand where you're coming from.  _________________ 
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Post subject: Re: ~Maranwethiel~ Posted: March 30th, 2007, 8:03 pm |
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Maranwethiel wrote: Oh my gosh...you are DEFINATELY not alone...I absolutely hate PotC... Haha, care to share?
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Post subject: Posted: March 30th, 2007, 8:10 pm |
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Sephiroth wrote: Eowyn is NOT a mary sue, in the book or movie. Yes, I agree with Arwen being a mary sue in the movie, but you can blame Pete on that, he could have done a better job with some things... - Father is the governor of Port Royal
- Lost her mother at an early age
- Dresses up and fulfills her social obligations, but doesn't like it
- Fiercely independent young woman capable of thinking for herself
- Very intelligent
- Very beautiful
- Despite her role as the governor's daughter, is very gifted with a sword (and a very fast learner, apparently)
- Is part of a major love triangle (Will/Elizabeth/Jack)
- Disguises herself as a male so that she can join in the fight
- Despite being a well-known individual and very obviously female, manages to fool everyone, even someone who knows her Eowyn- Uncle (and guardian) is the king of Rohan
- Lost her mother at the age of 7
- Plays the role of fair maiden, but doesn't like it
- Fiercely independent young woman capable of thinking for herself
- Very intelligent
- Very beautiful
- Despite being a lady of the court, is very gifted with a sword
- Is part of a major love triangle [though one part is unreciprocated] (Faramir/Eowyn/Aragorn)
- Disguises herself as a male so she can join in the fight
- Despite being a well-known person and very obviously female, manages to fool everyone, even several people who know her
Mind you, I still love both characters. I don't care if you call Elizabeth a Sue (because she is), but you can't exclude Eowyn from that title. She's every bit as much of a Sue as Elizabeth is.
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