To clarify for you...in the book the prophecy wasnt dropped until the middle of the battle and harry and neville were running i believe from lucius(not positive who they were running from) but neville had that curse on his legs that made them go all nuts and stuff and he couldn't walk on his own so harry was helping him and holding the prophecy and he dropped it and neville kicked it up with his foot on accident and it broke on the stone in there....But i believe that lucius was punished for not retrieving it safely though....even though he wasn't the one who broke it in the book i think it was a good idea to have him break it in the movie because it might make more sense for non-readers when the 6th book comes out why he's being so harshly punished



I totally agree....Like Vivi i pictured it like half of a wall in the hallway or a room or something but I definately LOOOOOVED how it was the whole room....I also like how sirius was talking about his mom "such a charming woman" in sarcastic tones everywhere. I chuckled I loved it!



I know I've said it before but I LOVE HER!! She's brilliant and cast PERFECTLY!!!!



Again, I totally agree...Who knows snog-fest just may have been occuring...I absolutely adore Ron and that whole scene after the harry/cho kiss was sooooo wonderful it was very sincere I loved it and it was funny..

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Hmm. I dunno, we could probably go on forever with this because I thought that Cho crying at the end of GoF did show they were more than Yule Ball buddies, but I think it's probably a matter of opinion.



Lol. I guess this is another moment where we don't agree. I found the moment of Sirius' death in the books to be very heart-wrenching. The voices behind the veil held all the mystery for me. I just felt that the movie didn't live up to that moment for me.



That's true, but either way it's still not canon. Umbridge didn't question everyone in the books. It was a good idea though on the film makers' parts. Made the movie flow.. I didn't really mind it too much.



Aye, that's what I meant by 'changed'. They did cut it short. I think we're resting too much on the idea that everything will be expained in HBP. That's a rather large book as well, and I'm afraid it won't get explained to it's fullest.





Okay, so I missed these two minors details, probably due to the fact that I was excited and was trying to absorb everything else in. I'm off to sit the movie again on Thursday, so I'll keep my eyes peeled.. [and ears ]



Oo, Grimmauld Place was amazing. Very dark and dank just like in the book. The whole Fidelius Charm bit was a let down, but I'm not going to get worked up about it as it was a minor detail.



Heh, I had a blast during this scene! Sadly I missed a lot of what Sirius and Harry were saying because I was too busy finding people we know on the family tree, but I got the gist of it and found several people; Bellatrix and Andromeda among them.



Actually, Neville was the one who broke the prophecy really. Harry was helping him up the steps in the veil room, but Neville'd been hit with that curse that was making his legs go all over the place. Harry dropped the prophecy, Neville kicked it, and it smashed. Buh-bye prophecy.



Holy cow.. I was crying at this point, I was. The acting was so well done, and the possession of Harry was insane. I was shaking in my seat the entire time. Best scene of the entire movie methinks.

Thanks Eruwae and Larael for the prophecy clarification. OotP, I've only read once over because I didn't like it so much so...


Another thing I'd like to mention-----


When Harry has Bellatrix at ...wand...point, and we hear Voldemort egging him on saying, "She killed him, she deserves it..." I thought that was an awesome touch. Because I feel as though in the books, Bellatrix should've also been punished for not successfully retrieving the prophecy and how Voldemort was trying to kill two birds with one stone was very true to his character. Though crazy and loyal as Bellatrix may be to him, he's not afraid to off any of his Death Eaters for failing.

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I thought it was a good moment for the audience to see how Harry copes as well. Is he going to kill Bellatrix in revenge or not? That's very important deep down. You had a very good point as well Kit.

Now to discuss the Snape Front.

The Snape Is a White Hat ++ We didn't get much movie evidence for this side of the argument, but the things I did saw was the fact that Snape was so haste in his taste to teach Harry Occlumency. Other evidence would be that he made it known to the DA that Cho was drugged into telling the truth, this may have been unintentional, but I like to think he wants to make sure the DA knows that it wasn't her fault. And of course, the look on his face when Harry goes, "It's Padfoot. He's been taken at the place where it's hidden." Or something like that.

The Snape is a Very Bad Man ++ His harsh occlumency lessons, he seemed to be enjoying invading Harry's mind waaaay too much. Snape's decision to stop giving Harry lessons had no basis to it. Harry's Protego charm backfires, it's an accident. Self-defense. However, Snape just ups and decides to stop giving the lessons. In the books, Harry's decision to invade Snape's privacy caused Snape's fury and his choice to stop giving the lessons, so the movie makes him look bad... the book, we sympathize more.

What do you all think?

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Firstly, your welcome, secondly I do agree with that...I just don't understand even with the protego spell how harry would have seen as much as he did...I mean snape is very a very skilled Occlumens, dumbledore even says so. So even with the spell I think snape would have been able to stop harry from seeing as much as he did in the film...I would have liked to have had the scene with the pensive just because I think it justifies snapes decision a little more and it also, in my opinion, make more sense to how harry sees sooo much into snape's school days...

Don't get me wrong the use of the spell was very good to cut that part out, but I think it may have been better if they just stuck to the pensive....

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Yes, Snape is claimed to be a very good in Occlumency but that's not established in the movie how good he is. We know about it in the book, so the fact that Snape couldn't block the Protego charm for so long isn't surprising, for the audience, he was caught off-guard and so therefore...

Anyways---his memory wasn't even that long anyways. xD It could've been longer. I'm surprised Lily wasn't it since she was casted. Extended scene maybe?

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^Your points referring to Snape are very good and I agree in both of them. He is such a great character, because he could be a good guy or a bad one. It is a pity that he is not getting that much time on the movies lately.

And about Snape's Memory in the movie, I think it is likely that scene will be one of deleted scenes added to the DVD.

Good points both of you. I think for anyone who hasn't read the books but has just scene this movie will probably be under the impression that Snape is evil. Besides the points Kit mentioned and the fact that he is in the Order I think it'd be very hard to tell..

I hope they do something with Snape's Worst Memory on the DVD. Didn't they cast someone as Lily? But then we didn't even see her...

It's right we don't know for sure if it was a red light spell, but I think that's it was a stunning spell like you said. If Sirius really died in the book then it was the Veil that did it, not the spell. I think they took the Avada Kedavra curse in the movie to make it more dramatic, to reach out to the ones that haven't read the book as well...Wich means that Sirius maybe really is dead after all and wont come back as so many still belives.

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I felt like most of the characters didn't get a lot of screen time. Luna, Sirius, Lupin, Tonks, Moody, they were all in the movie for what felt like about 5 minutes each.

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I've now seen it two times, and as this is the last day I'll have a chance to post until for a while, so here we go...

I liked it. A lot. Maybe because Neville seemed to have huge amounts of screen time, even if he was just standing in the background with a weird expression.

Yeah, I loved Neville. Him and his Mimbulus mimbletonia.

At first I felt that Umbridge wouldn't be right, but by the time she'd finished her first speech, I loved her. Her office and outfits were... nauseating, and she pulled them off perfectly.

I also felt that quite a few characters were snubbed, but really Tonks and Luna were the only ones that really irked me.

Overall, I think it was my favorite movie so far.

EDIT: Oh, Ellie, Kreacher was originally omitted from the movie, but written in at JKR's request.

Elegost Eruaphadion: I honestly could not agree with you more. Everything you said about the movie being like a bunch of clips put into a movie is so true.



I felt that the movie introduced many of the story lines and then failed to explain them. The movie seemed, to me, to be very fast and choppy. At the end of the movie I almost felt that that was it? Couldn't there have been a bit more?

One thing that I was really dissapointed in was the Department of Mysteries. I really thought that scene could have been longer. But then again, maybe that may put all the extra stuff with the brains and many doors in an extra scene on the dvd. Or so, I am hoping.

One thing that I also wish they could have had in the movie was the "Snape's Worst Memory" scence. That scence is actually pivital in a sense for Harry. By him seeing the memory, he starts to think that his dad was a bad person and everything. He learns another side of him and all. By this Harry becomes more mature in accepting the fact that although his father was quite mean at school, him and Sirius were, in fact, good people. This scence also allows him to pity Snape.

Was it just me, or did anyone else feel that alot of the actors that displayed importance in the previous films (and even in the 5th book itself) received slightly smaller role. For example: Professor McGonagall (sorry if I spelled that wrong.) In the books, she was given a fair role, but they seemed to cut her out alot. Even Professor Dumbledore was not in the movie was much as I wouls have liked, but then again he did separate himself from Harry throughout the book, so it was ideal for him to not be in the movie as much. I believethat in the movie they wanted to emphasize of Umbridge alot though. That is okay, I guess, because she does play an important role in the book and movie.

Another thing. I also felt that although Order of the Phoenix was a dark film in itself, it failed to show Harry emotion through it. Well, it did show that he was angry and stuff, but never explained it. That is one thing I like about the book. It allows you to read exactly what Harry it feeling, where the movies cannot really do that.

One last thing that I would like the add is that I felt that the Order of the Phoenix lacked a bit of humor. Did anyone else think that. I actually liked Goblet of Fire because there was a bit of added humor. Even though the Order of the Phoenix is a dark movie, the book still displays humor, but the movie failed to show that. Maybe there will be more added to the dvd.

I am sorry if all of these things I have written are negative, but that is just my opinion. I am, in fact, going to see the movie again, so maybe I will think differently of it.

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I've felt like that about most of the movies. I think it's just because we've all read the book, so our sense of the movie isn't really the same as someone who doesn't know what to expect.

About OotP lacking humor - I completely know what you're talking about. I felt like they cut out Ron waaay too much, and he's one of the biggest sources of humor in the books. In my opinion, this movie focused too much on Harry. Granted, he's the main character, but there are so many other things that we as Potter fans want everyone else to enjoy. However, I was ecstatic that they included Hermione's "Just because you've got the emotional range of a teaspoon" bit. That's one of my favorite lines in the entire series.

Back to Snape - The thing is, not even the movie makers can say whether he's good or bad, and until Deathly Hallows comes out (about two days from now ) no one can. They can only portray his actions the way Rowling did in the book. However, she knows what's going to happen, while they don't, and so she's free to show his true side as little or as much as she wants. I think that if the movie makers knew what Snape's true intentions were, they might have had more room to let him develop as a character in the movie.

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^^^ I kinda wish I would have done that. Ibought the 4th one when it came out like...the day it came out and it didn't have any of the extended or deleted scenes or anything it's just the movie so I have to REbuy it...but i might just wait..

@Elenmir Miriel..
I think they might know already..because they have already started pre production for Hp and the DH which means they are (most likely) working out the script..
I mean they already have a release date for the 6th...i think they are trying to get these movies done quickly so the actors don't get too old :S

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Well, most of the book was all of Harry expressing how angry... and upset... and emo he is. So... I can't agree that the shortening was uncalled for.



Actually, I have several friends who are casual watchers of Harry Potter. They haven't read the books, or is really obsessed with Harry Potter really, but they enjoyed the film. So, I think it may be a little presumptuous to think that non-Harry Potter fans would really mull over the details in between scenes in the movie.



You say this now, but think of all the fans that would be screaming their head off if Kreacher wasn't included into the film at all? Ron, Hermione, Luna and the other characters I thought had the appropriate amount of screentime for the entire theme of the movie, because in all respects, Order of the Phoenix was essentially a personal, emotional book for the main character---that it was in the central book that ostracized our protagonist, so the overload of interaction and screentime of other characters? It would be anti-themed, at best.



I definitely agree to these three characters not having enough screentime, but my wishing they had more screentime are just natural instinct as they are my some of my most favorite characters. For example, if Hagrid, Trelawney, or McGonagall got less screentime, I really would not have been too bothered because they're not my most favorite characters. However, on the front of plot-involvement, the three you listed would probably be more important if they expanded on what exactly Dumbledore has the Order set out to do, which is something that Harry has been pretty much in the dark in all summer and during the time of his 5th year. But since this film and essentially the book series, it's revolved around Harry Potter. His involvement is our involvement. His ignorance is our ingorance. If they wanted to add more character-involvement, they would've needed more plot-expanding, and how extensive this book is, it would not have worked.

I think to the casual viewer, if they have seen the previous films, I think they'd get the subtle idea that Ron likes Hermione. I think Goblet of Fire is evidence enough of that. If they're a casual viewer, and they have not seen the previous films---it's okay that they don't catch up that Ron likes Hermione, because initially, it's not important to them since they're probably going to see this, just to see it and enjoy it.



Should have been added, but didn't NEED to be added. You're reviewing this movie for the film, and not the book so ... do you think that the DA exploring those rooms would've added to the film? Plot-wise? It's good to show these things to see how expanse the Ministry is, but it doesn't add to the plot.



Aww, I thought Matthew Lewis's performance in this film was more than satisfactory. He portrayed Neville at that point in the book series as I imagined it. Awkward. Unacquainted with himself as a significant figure at Hogwarts, in the Wizarding World.



YES!! Who doesn't, eh? I turned into a Neville fan because of this movie.

Well.... I was always a Neville fan, but... now I'm die-hard.



We don't know that he HADN'T changed as a person, matured and realizing that his father isn't all the glamorous Order-member that he's claimed to be. We don't see Harry express that much emotion after being thrown from the Occlumency lessons, so it's possible that he does indeed change perspectives from the experience, we're just not aware of just how much. I like to think that Harry did re-think a little of how evil Snape can be... because of how he trusted Snape to know what his warning meant in the presence of Umbridge.



I felt it.... I was actually more sympathetic to Harry more to his anger in the film than in the book, the book went absolutely overboard with all the <i>anger</i>, it was a dark book, but it followed a dark book as well. The Goblet of Fire film didn't feel DARK ENOUGH for me, so I'm glad that they didn't take that dip to mild dark to SUPER ANGSTY DARK. But that's me.



Seriously?!?!?!?! I was actually surprised at the amount of humor the movie had. The humor I remember in the books the most revolves around Tonks and Luna---and Tonks didn't have that huge of a part in the film, so I can't exactly say... Luna's humor was excellently played out, and if they did anymore, people would've simply pegged her as comic relief (which she is, but she's a character too!).



The overall idea of the book was focused on Harry, and his struggles with going through with everyone being against him after such a traumatic experience, so if you think the movie focused too much on Harry, you might as well e-mail up JK Rowling the night before Deathly Hallows releases and tell her, "Write more about the other bloody characters we love, y'crazy. You can't end the series like 'at!"

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