LOL about the hippity-hoppity thing! That was actually a kind of creepy scene for me But I loved it, because in my opinion, that's when Sawyer realized he loved Kate! AWWWWW!

Anyway....You all know my favorite character is Sawyer, but my favorite Sawyer scene? Gah! There are too many to choose! I haven't seen any of the first season, so this is just one of my favorites from season 2 or 3

I think I really liked the scene, this season, when Sawyer was getting beat up and Kate had to yell "I love him!" to get Pickett to stop. That was just so....wonderful, and sad at the same time. And then he asked Kate if she really meant it and she said no

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Gilraen Ringeril, When I first read that scene I thought that it was creepy too but then I decided it was so creepy and stupid that it was funny. I know...it's an odd way to look at it but oh well...
Oh I know...there are just so many Sawyer scenes. In fact I read on the internet that he is the character that has been in the most episodes to date. That makes it near impossable to pick just one though.
Ooh, I loved that scene too! It was so heart wrenching. I was sitting there yelling at my computer screen (I was reading the transcript.) I was so happy when she yelled that she loved him and then what...she went and ruined it by saying that she didn't really love him... . What is wrong with her? Oh, and by the way have you noticed that when Kate is asked about her feels for Saywer or Jack, she makes no verbal response? For example the secound time Sawyer asked her if she loved him she just kissed him and then when Danielle asked Kate if she cared about jack she just looked at Danielle. What is up with that you think?
Well, I'm sure that the rest of you know who my favorite is as well ...Sawyer. However as we have astablished it is very hard to just pick one of his scenes. I suppose that I might have to pick the one where Sawyer is brought to the hatch, is shaking all over, and Kates gets all worried about him. The antibiotic scene that followed that one is my favorite Skate scene though. So you probabley all saw that coming from a mile away.

Now I know that this might seem a bit weird but please bare with me. Now Locke (at least I think) that looks like Mr. Clean. So I was wathching tv last night and my mum is says that Billy Ray Cyrus looks just like Sawyer...especialy because of the hair. Now I think that they do look a like but not as much as Locke and Mr. Clean. So anyway here is a a picture (click the link below) of Billy Ray (and Korina/not sure if I spelled that correctly/ his dance partner) and we all now what wonderful Saywer looks like. So do any of you here think that Sawyer and Billy Ray Cyrus look anything alike?
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Sawyer must be the most popular character, if he's in the most scenes! WHEEEEEEEEE!

I think the reason Kate never answers those questions about Sawyer and Jack is that she still hasn't made up her mind herself. She doesn't want to commit to anything yet. But I have say, if she ends up with Jack and breaks Sawyer's heart, she will go from one of my favorite characters to my least favorite character

And I completely forgot about that scene with Sawyer all sick and then how Kate helped him with the medicine!!!! *dies* I LOVE that scene as well!!! And the scene when Libby had just died and Kate was crying so Sawyer just held her.....awwwwwwwwwwwwww! *melts*

Oh man, I need to calm down I was looking at pics of Josh Holloway/Sawyer today during a class and I was practically drooling at school! LOL!

Hmmm...Sawyer/Josh and Billy Ray do look a lot alike, but I think Sawyer is MUCH more attractive! Billy Ray just doesn't have Sawyer's awesome charm

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Thanks Gil. Could be a while though as my mum and brother haven't seen them yet, and I like to try and watch them in one go. I think the first one is about Juliet as well.



I'm sure I will. Shirtless Ben! *dies a gazillion times*

Lol, no you're not. That really cracks me up actually. Yes, I agree. He will accept them as family, but as you say he's really not going to be happy when he learns his dad already had another family. I have a feeling we're going to see some more of Jack-tantrums and wall punching somehow. Yes, your right, of course they are flash and blood, I think what I meant to say was they are not brother-sister but half-siblings, so although they are family, the connection is not as close, so we could be wrong and he doesn't accept them....not really a Jack "thing" to do though.

Well it was just one of the many theories surrounding LOST. I quite like it myself but it probably ain't right. Hmm....I think Juliet lost Jack's respect when a while ago, from when she wanted him to kill Ben and the classic scene (something like this):

Jack: There was nothing you could have done for her (Colleen)
Juliet: Are you just saying that to make me feel better
Jack: I don't care how you feel

Way to go Jack!! There probably will be a romantic thing between them... ...but it's so obvious I'm hoping it's not true.

Hmm..well Ben is the leader, and he seems to call all the shots...which again makes me wonder if Juliet was lying when she said some of the Others wanted him dead and wanted changes....apart from her and Alex (who's a nutter I've decided....come on...trying to get Kate and Sawyer free with a sling shot....ding dong..) are the only ones who seem to have a problem with Ben....I see no rebellious people or rebellious speeched being made.

Ooh, that's tough. One of my favourite scenes is the whole:

Juliet: (knocks on door)
Ben: *looking cute and hopeful* You never made soup for me
Colleen: Am I interrupting something?
Juliet: Would it matter if you were?
Colleen: We have a situation. The Iraqi found the decoy village
Ben: *shrugs* That's what we wanted
Colleen: Brian followed them to the shore. They have a boat
Ben: How?!
Colleen: I have no idea
Juliet: So they have a boat, they'll be going round in circles it will keep them busy
Colleen: They could find us. Ben?
Ben: I'm thinking. How long would it take to gather a team?
Collen: An hour
Ben: Well don't waste time talking to us *pause* Hey Collen....I want that boat

I know that scene back to front as it was the only clip I ever found of Ben from series 3 before it was shown over here. I love the way he says his lines and the tension in that scene. I also love the "hippity hopitty...come on...let's move it...come on..move it....".....That scene is to for.



Eww..I sure hope not...that to me is like saying Ben should be with Kate...Ben should be with non-one....who is on the island...

*sniff* Come on you've got to admit the guy is an interesting character!! To know more about Ben is to know more about the Others. You have to have a smidgen of interest for that reason alone.



*holds up hand* Ben's my favourite but I did fee sorry for Pickett. I'm the only one I know who has this strange opinion, but I like the Others, and I believe and have explained my reasons behind Pickett's behaviour - and that's just the reasons we the audience know about, who knows that has happened since he has been on the island?

Well I think the fact he gives all the orders, and they even gave up two of their hostages (Mike and Walt) to get Ben back, seems to say to me that he is their island leader. Obviously he answers to someone else but I don't think it's someone on the island.

LOL! That was a fun scene. I've often say hippity-hoppity but I don't think anyone has twigged where it comes from.

Well y'all pretty much know my favourite Ben scene.



*shakes head* I'll turn you into a Ben fan yet Gil. Although I admit, I'm never going to get you thinking of Ben when Swayer's in the same scene.

Yes, that was a good Sawyer scene. I don't know what really is going on with Kate....I think she still feels guilty for leaving Jack behind...which I suppose is normal to feel like that under the circumstances, especially as Sawyer wouldn't go back. She might change her mind now, that she's seen him getting on with the Others....which I'm sure how that's happened...because technically he didn't really keep to his bragain about Ben..he fixed him...but only after taking him hostage and setting Kate and Sawyer free.

@ DD - Hmm...he does look like him slightly...but I'd rather have the Sawyer I think.

@ Gil - Ooh..Kate had really better watch out then eh? LOL! I don't think you should look at Sawyer/Josh at school again....

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Gilraen Ringeril, I would say that you are right. Plus it seems to me that when Lost is brought up to a non regular watcher of Lost the go "The really weird isalnd show...isn't there a character named Sawyer on there" lol So he probabley is very popular.
Well, I've thought about it and I think that you are also right about why Kate doesn't answer verbaly in response to those questions. However that just makes me even more mad at Kate. If she is unsure of her feelings she should just tell them that and take time to decide on her Own (not by running back and forth kissing one and then the other) about what she wants to do! It's mean to just keep Sawyer and Jack hanging on and there by breaking their hearts. Kate makes me so bloody mad! I'll join you in the Kate hating if she picks Jack. (high fives Gliraen Ringeril.)
I like to look at Sawyer pictures online too. In fact yesterday I was looking at one got really excited giggled to loudly and my mum asked me what I was laughing at. When I told her that it was a super cute picture of Saywer she just smiled and gave me "the oh...Sawyer...okay" look. lol

JF, Oh that they are half siblings okay. That makes much more sense. Well, I don't think that them being half siblings will change Jack's final descission at all. I think that he will see family as family and I understand that. I could always be wrong but I am still go to stand behind that theory of mine.
A Jack tantrum? I think that I would like to see that...I have never seen a full out Jack tantrum...yet. I've seen some of his facial expressions though "the I'm not going to cry". Oh and the fist through the wall...I think that I will be looking forward to that.
Cool Ben scene. Ben looked so jealous. So what is Ben and Juliet's connection? Do you think that they had a relationship? I mean Tom had mentioned Juliet and Ben having a "history" (I think is the word he used) together. So do you have a theory on that yet?
Well, I like Juliet and she is an Other and I'm warming up to Ben I supose but as for the other Others I just don't like them all that much. I'm trying though.
I think that Ben will be getting orders from somebody who is not on the isalnd as well. I'm thinking maybe some kind of military thing...I could be wrong though.
Yeah, it is Really hard to get a Sawyer fan(s) to pay attention to anything or anyone else when Sawyer is in a scene. I'm guilty of that. (raises hand) it's just...Sawyer is so cute and interesting. I like the other characters (most of them that is) but when Sawyer is on...my attention span for all else is out the window.

Gilraen and JF, I think that Saywer looks like Billy Ray too but I agree that Sawyer is the more atractive of the two.

How do your pronounce Sawyer? It's a weird question I know but I noticed that Kate seems to pronoounce the a as an o and nearly drops the w all together...like Soyer. However I pronouce it with an a and want to stress on the w... like Saw-yer. So I was wondering how everyone else pronounces it.

Well, only a couple more hours until Lost.

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I have to agree with both you and Gil about Kate although I can sort of see her point of view.

Jack, calm, collected, saviour of the survivors and basically and all round good guy. Sawyer, sarcastic, smarmy out for himself survivor. So I think in the beginning Kate was attracted to Jack because maybe because of her background, he was good for her. But I think when she learnt of Sawyer's past and that they had a sort of sympathy between them, and she sort of got to know him better, she was warming to him. In series 2 and series 3 especially, both the men changed dramatically. Jack was losing it more and more and getting angry and unreliable, whereas Sawyer was trying to fit in more and actually help others. And when Jack completely ignore her, so even Sawyer noticed it, she went more with Sawyer than Jack. And in series 3 although I believe she does love Sawyer, she still felt guilty leaving behind the man who had led them though many trials and was the reason she and Sawyer were able to escape. Now of course she's seen Jack, seems to be on good terms with the Others, so if anything, that is really going to ruin any chances of a renunion. I think she's just confused why Jack changed towards her, and if she finds out he saw her and Sawyer on the monitor and that's why he wanted off the island.....that won't be good for Kate, but I still think she will stay with Sawyer.

Lol, the "I'm trying not to cry although I'm not actually meant to be crying in this scene" face is priceless. Jack's good for a laugh when he's like that. I don't think MF has got his emotional acting quite right yet.

You think so? I don't think he looked jealous, I thought hopefull but now I think he was being sarcastic. As I said previously, why the bearded man would inform a prisoner that their leader and an Other had had a "relationship" doesn't make sense to me. I think he was hinting at something to see what the reaction was from Jack...if Jack likes Juliet is he going to like the fact she once had a relationship with Ben who might want her back? No, I don't believe there has ever been anything between Ben and Juliet.

Personally I have no idea who's Ben's boss. I used to think it was Penny's dad (who I am sure has something to do with the whole island) but as he seems to be not the nicest of people, and I've recently learned the Others have their own enemies, I no longer think he is Ben's boss. I haven't a clue really. Something scientific.

I pronounce Sawyer the same as everyone else on the island - Soy-err.

EDIT: I just found an interview with M.E it's slightly spoilerish so if you don't want to know don't read. I think it may scupper one of my theories concerning Ben....or it may not...as long as it's not a situation with a certain person I don't care....that's all I'm saying....

http://www.the-trades.com/article.php?id=5337

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AHHHH! You guys have much too long posts!

I'll have to reply later, as I'm about to go to youth group now

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JF, Well, I do try to put myself in her shoes so to speak but I have a very hard time doing that. In all honesty...if I were her I would go with Jack and I wouldn't look back. Yes, I'm sure that everyone here has just passed out and died. lol (Yes Sawyer is still my favorite but not the kind of man that I want in a husband...lol I know that that makes no sense. So just to be clear..Sawyer is still my favorite but I'm not going to try to find a Sawyer duplicate to marry.) If I were Kate I would be trying my best to be a "good girl" and to get Jack's attention. I would Not be running back and fourth. However I can see as where the mood swings, personality changes or whatever you would call them that Jack and Sawyer seem to be going through could make that quite difficult to do. Plus I and Kate see this in a different light I supose.
That is very possable since it seems that the Others plan at first (not sure if it still is or not) was to get Jack to fall for Juliet.
I hadn't really thought about that but Penny's dad is an interesting idea. Hmmm, you are probabley right and he will be related to the plot at some point in some way.
Thank you for posting that interview for us! I read it and thought that it was cool...nice picture ME too. I got tickled when he started talking about his high shcool re-union. (maybe Spoiler warning) Do you think that Ben is headed for romance judging by that interview? If so who do you think they are going to try to pair him with? Personaly I don't know if they are going to head there but I would say yes, I guess. lol Personaly I think tthat I would like to see what he would look like with Danielle. I so don't think that they are going to do that but I can dream. Ooh, or better yet a Ben/Jack/Juliet triangle. Yes I want to see Jack and Ben fight over Juliet.
Oh, and in reference to the post before last of yours I forgot to mention that I agree with you about Sally sling shot. She is insane.

Gilraen Ringeril, Yes, JF and I really like to make long posts. What can I say? I love to talk and I love to talk about Lost amd JF and you are nice enough to talk to me about it. (which by the way I am very thankful of) lol Have a good time at your meeting. I just back from drilling at church, so I certainly understand. lol

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*le gasp* I actually think Sawyer would make a good husband - he is a good man at heart, he just needs that someone to take him down the right path. And I think Kate could do that. I'm thinking Jack needs someone who is the opposite - maybe even Juliet, I'll admit that.

Mm..well at the end of series 2, these Norwegians or whoever they were, got a reading on their radar or something when the hatch blew up and then they phoned Penny. So, for some reason she's expecting something to show up on radar,or she feels the need for these men to sit in the Arctic or whereever they were in order to find Desmond. Which makes me wonder if her dad has anything to do with the island, he's found out Des landed there and she in turn found out he's somewhere in the world on a "hidden" island that her dad knows about. He's very wealthy and probably has a lot of dealings with organizations in the world....so I'm pretty sure he's got something to do with whatever LOST is about.

WOOT! I never even noticed the piccie! How could I?! *hits self in eye with spoon* Glad you liked it DD, it was a nice mixture of LOST and the man himself so I'm happy. *bouncey wouncey* (spoiler talk) Hmm...I'm not sure about a romance....but I believe we are going to see a tender Ben..remember he has an (adopted) daughter and I'm looking forward to seeing some scenes with them. I bet he cares about her a lot....whereas she probably doesn't care about him....*sniff*...maybe we may see a flashback to when he wasn't on the island (I'm not sure if he really has been on the island all his life) and we see a failed romance, or we could even see a failed romance on the island (not Juliet though). I get the impression thought they want to bring in some new Others....so either in a flashback form...or new people altogether....I still don't think were going to see a proper Ben romance though....just a kinder side...maybe we'll see him reading a Jane Austen book or something.

LOL! Sally Sling-Shot!!

Ah, well I have so many thoughts and theories with LOST that I can never seem to phrase well out loud. That's why I make such long posts to you guys!

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JF, I know I have shocked pretty well everyone now. Hmm, i hadn't really thought of it that way before. I supose that he really does have a good heart though. He never could hurt a child...and he was willing to die for Kate. So yeah he has good heart. He just needs somebody to bring that good heart to light and I think that that person is Kate.
Ooh, I did not know that! Thanks for the information. Now I really think that, Penny or her daddy know something that we are not being told about.
(Spoiler talk) A softer side to Ben would be nice. I mean we have seen the tough side of Ben. So I think that I would really like to see a softer side of Ben. I think that that might could help me to like him more. I also think that they should explore the Ben and Alex relationship too (but not in a creepy way). Personaly I think that Ben really loves Alex as his own and though she hasn't really shown it yet I think that Alex loves him in a fatherly way as well. Sure she was mad at Ben for what he did to Karl but I don't think that she actualy hates him for it. Almost all teenagers and parents argue over boyfriend or girlfriend situations. It doesn't mean that they hate each other. The parent(s) are/is only trying to protect the child and the child is only trying to make a life for themselves with somebody that they love...they only fight back/argue with their parent(s) because they don't want to lose the person that they love in that way...that doesn't mean that they don't still love their partent(s) in different way. So I think that exploring their father/daughter relationship would be a good way to show a softer side of Ben and to have character devolpment for the characters of Ben and Alex as father and daughter and as seperat characters. I would love to see them have a father/daughter episode! (End of Spoikler talk)
Ooh, new Others! Yes, I noticed that in the interview, how he was hinting at that. I think that I might like that.
Yep, I am borrowing from the famous Sawyer nicknames again. Sally Sling shot.

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It shows how much time I have on my hands when I try to see the point of view of every LOST character....that isn't Juliet that is.......

Sorry I couldn't tell you more. It was a little bit complicated and I can't really remember it all anyway.

(spoiler talk) Well I already think there is a softer side to Ben (but that's just me being weird) but I think he's a bit like Sawyer...he has it but can't show it well. Yes, I agree with you about the Alex relationship ----if you're reading this LOST creators please don't make it a romantic thing and creepy, thanks---- I think he probably does care for her and she for him, but as you say if he got in the way of her boyfriend...she's not going to like him.

Well there are lots of Others in Others-ville...plenty of opportunity for new characters.

Lol, Swayer would be proud.

My mum and brother have just seen the Juliet episode so I'll be watching it tomorrow!! Yoo-hoo! It's a shame it's Juliet's episode but Ben's there as well so it can't be all bad. My brother now actually agrees with me when I said the whole execution thing was set up, as Ben ordered Juliet to let Kate and Sawyer to escape so really she had to do anything to get them free (even killing Pickett) so he reckons they actually weren't going to punish Juliet, but used her to see if Jack would save her, and maybe in the future try to get her to gain his trust again.

We also had an interesting talk about how Jack and Claire would find out they are siblings. The Others will probably only use the information against him and as they seem pally at the moment I can't see that happening. What if Claire found Jack's dad's body (his body went missing from the coffin early in series 1) and she kinda recognizes it and people tell her Jack was brining back his dad's body....it could happen....it's LOSTLand..

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Eeek...such a crazy episode!

Wasn't as...Lock-ish as I was expecting. Which was good. But, I still hate Locke...even after seeing...how he ended up in a wheel-chair.

XD

I was talking to Frosty for a little while, while watching....and told him, "JF is going to have a FIT over this episode." *cough-Michael-cough* Ha ha ha ha ha! Doesn't look half bad in his jim-jams. Ha ha ha!! Yay!!

And Kate and Jack! *big hug and sigh*
And Ben and Alex! Yay!!!

And the ENDING!
I SOOO knew it! I knew it, I knew it, I knew it!!!
I shouted it at my tele screen like 5 minutes before it happened.

But interesting episode. Very good.

Next week though.
Not sure I'll be able to make it through.
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JF, Well I hope that you enjoy the epsidoe. That was actualy the first one I ever watched. I liked it and there was some Ben in it.
Hmm, Claire finding his body might be a good way to do it. However I'm thinking or rather afraid that they may be about to uh....bring him back to life mysterously...However I really really do not like that idea at all! Okay I could be 100% wrong about that...maybe I just watch too much Days of Our Lives (A really insane soap opera) What do you think about that idea...not the Days thing...the thing about maybe they shall bring him back on...alive...? I hope that one of your theories on that turn out to be true. The nody one would be perfectly fine if it was done right and the same goes for ther Others using it against Jack.
Oh my it will be allright, JF! Here is the recap for you. (Sorry that I couldn't get online to give it to you last night )
In flashbacks we saw Locke being turned down for disability because he was no longer going to therapy (first scene in flashback though that made no since seeing as how he wasn't in his wheelchair ), um a little later he is at his apartment, there is a knock on the door, a guy named Peter comes in, Peter says that his mother is engaged to the man that Locke gave his kidney to and says that the guy his mom is engaged to can't be all bad seeing as how Locke did that for him, Locke thought for a moment and told Peter that he never actualy met the man, it was an anomous thing, Peter looked a bit disappointed and left. Then later at a flower shop Locke's "father" (the guy who he gave his kidney to...I don't actualy know his name.) asked him why he was their, Locke says that Peter is onto and for him to either tell the woman he was engaged to that he was calling things off or that he would tell her what he had done, his "father" says that he will call things off, and Locke leaves. We see his apartment again, some detectives are there questioning him about Peter, Locke claims that he was selling him something door to door, the detectives told him that he was mother was really rich so what would he be selling him door to door, Locke asked them why they were asking about Peter, they responded by saying that Peter was dead. So as you can probabley guess Locke went over to see his "father" in his fine apartment and suggests that Peter's murder was caused in some way by his "father" because his "father" was wanting to marry Peter's momther for her money and Peter was onto Locke's "father's" (As in Peter was firguring out that Locke's father was a conman), Locke's father told him that Peter's mom was devastated that she had called the wedding off and that there was no profit in it for him he claimed that he was a conman not a killer, Locke asked him if that was what Peter's mother would say if he were to call her, Lockes "father" spointed ot the phone and said that it was right there, Locke picked and asked him the number, Locke's "father" pushed him and he fell out of the window (8 stories). So the last scene we see is Locke being told in the hospital that his father fled to Mexico and that he could be anywhere in the world right now, Locke certainly didn't like it, but he was put into a wheel chair and that was the end of the flashbacks.
As for present storyline...Kate said that they must have done something to Jack, Locke said that the first time he saw Jack he was saving people from burning wreckage so if he was shaking hands with the Others that there must be a reason, Jack and Mr. Friendly played football, Juliet came up to Jack, caught the football, said something to Jack, Jack and Juleit went into a building, and brought Ben outside. Next thing we know it is night, Kate walks into a house, we hear somebody playing the piano, Kate walks into the living room, we see it's Jack playing the piano, Kate smiles at him and walks over to him, Jack yells at her to get out that he is being watched, we see a camera in the corner of the room, Kate backs up, several Others jump out and grab her, and Sayid is brought in by several Others as well. They ask Kate who else is with them, Kate didn't say anything, Jack told her to just answer the question, she looked at Sayid, Sayid mouthed no-one, Kate said no-one, Sayid breathed a sigh of relief. Elsewhere Locke walked into Ben's house and pointed a gun at him, Ben said that there was no need for the gun to be bpointed at him, Alex walked in (callling "Dad"), Lokce jumped Alex, hled a gun to her head, and the other hand was over her mouth and shoved themselves into a closet, some Other yelled to Ben who was he talking to, Ben said nobody, the Other other left I supose, Locke and Alex came out of the closet, Ben kind got all worried (cute actualy), Locke said that he wanted his pack and that Alex was going to go and get it, Ben said that right now his daughter hated him so keeping him captured and sending her might not be a good idea, Alex said "Dad! I'll get the pack" and walked out of the house. Ben asked Locke to help him to his chair, Locke finaly helped him into a wheelchair, Ben said that he knew where Jack was, Locke said that he wasn't there for Jack that he wanted the submarin, Ben told Locke that Locke had sent Alex for his (Locke's) pack because he wanted the C4 in his pack that he would have gotten from Patch's (Mikhail) hide out (which he did have...which he had lied to Sayid about earlier. though Sayid did find it later on in the previous episode) that Locke wanted to blow up the subamarin, Locke didn't make much of a response, Ben made some small remark, Locke said that Ben didn't know him, Ben told about him working at a box factory and about he knew that he had been in a wheel chair for 4 years and that he knew why. (Here we are switched to the Peter meets Locke flashback and then back to present) Locke says that how does he know who he (Ben) is, Ben asked him if it hurt, Locke said fallling 8 stories and breaking your back...that it kind of stinged, Locke asked him why he cared ect, Ben kept saying because Locke wasn't in a wheel chair and he was, Locke says that he is hungrey and the two of them go into the kitchen, and Locke found something to eat. Ben then explains that that submarin gives "his people the illusion that they can leave whenever they want", Locke asked him if that meant they couldn't leave, Ben stumbled over his words and managed to say "no", Ben then went onto say that "whhat if I was to tell you that there was a box on the island, that could give you anything that you wanted. Whatever you wanted most", Locke said that "then I would hope that that box is big enough for a submarin". So Alex returned with Locke's pack, Locke took it, he said that Alex would take him to the submarin, Ben protested, Locke siad that Ben would slow him down, Alex and Locke headed down the dock toward the submarin, Alex said that her father manipulated people that he would make you think that an idea was yours but that it was actualy his, Locke told Alex that he was sorry for having to involve her, Locke went down into the submarin, and Locke came out of the submarin a few minutes later.
Meanwhile Jack walks into what appers to be a bar, Kate is handcuffed to a pool table, Jack asked her if they had hurt her, Kate said no and returned the question, Jack said no, Kate asked Jack if he was on their side now, Jack said no that he was not on anybody's side, Kate asked him why he was buddies with the Others now, Jack said that Ben had made a deal with him, Kate asked him about it, Jack said that Ben said that he could go home first thing in the morning and that he would bring help back for the rest of them, Kate and Jack shared this sweet looking look, and Jack left. Juliet and Jack then showed up at Ben's house, Jack asked Ben for a favor even though he said that he knew that Ben owed him nothing, Ben told him ask, Jack asked Ben to let his friends go once he left the island, Ben asked him if he were to say no if Jack would stay, Jack said absolutely, Ben said that he saw no reason to keep his friends so as soon as they (Jack and Juliet) had left on the submarin that he would release Jack's friends. Jack smiled, Ben looked at Juliet and said I guess that this is really it, Juliet said I guess so, Ben told her goodbye, and Juliet and Jack left. A few minutes later the submarin exploded sky high and we are shown shocked faces of Juliet, Jack, and Locke. Locke was captured by Others, he was chained to a bar in a basment like room, Ben and another Other came down and undid his chains, Ben told Locke that if he had let Jack and Juleit take their one way trip one the submrin that that would have been the end of him if he had killed them that that too would have been the end of him and that here Locke was pretty well to just take care of the matter, then Ben said that when he asked if it hurt he wasn't talking about physicaly, Locke said did "do you mean. Did it hurt my feelings", Ben said that having your own father try to kill you must have hurt and suggested that he was afraid that he would run into him at some point and that that was why he didn't want to leave the island, Locke asked him if he was going to start talking about the box again, Ben said that he was going to show him what came out of the box, Ben and Locke walked into a room and Locke's "father" was there with a clothe over his mouth and tied down to a chair.
Now when Alex went to get Locke's pack, Sayid was there chained to swing set, Sayid looked at Alex and said that she looked like her mother, Alex said that her mother was dead, Sayid said that he was sure that that's what they told her, the Other guard yelled at Alex to get out of there, Alex grabbed the pack and left. Then we see Danieelle looking at Alex with her mouth wide open.

MontanaBohemian, I still don't like Mr. clean either. So I will agree that I was also pleased that it wasn't as much Locke-ish as it could have been. also I liked seeing Ben in his PJs. (laughs) What I really liked though was the Ben/Alex stuff. She went to get the pack and seemed upset when Ben said that she hated him...so I really think that she still loves him as her father.
Ooh, and I liked how they had Jack and Juliet running around together and they were all smiles...mostly. Maybe there is hopes still yet for Jacket!

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