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Emo Spidey was pretty funny. Especially the whole dancing thing- I couldn't stop laughing. 
Other than the minor inconsistencies, it was awesome. I loved it. I still think that the second one is my favorite, but it was incredible. Definately just as good as I thought it would be.
I'll admit I cried at the end too.
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I actually loved the part with Harry. It was wonderful writing how in the hospital he said, "I would die for them," and then he did. As soon as Peter was about to die by the jet glider thing, I knew Harry was going to jump in front. I love Harry!! His character is (was) just so good!!!
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**SPOILERS AHEAD**
My minor niggles:
Where was the Spidey Sense??
The meteor went off like right next to him and MJ, he didn't even flinch. Didn't ever hear it. Bleh.
Also when Harry attacked him...um, shouldn't he have sensed that coming a mile off?
Slight rush job on Eddie Brocks character development and bonding. Also...he did NOT say the words I have waited so long to hear.
"We are Venom!" really disapointed. Also Brock spent too long speaking as Brock once bonded.
Other than those things. Everything else was great and didn't detract from my overall enjoyment. As I said before Topher and James were just show stealers. Thomas Hayden Church was fantastic as Sandman, you really felt for him. Bryce Dallas Howard made a great Gwen Stacy and looked like they'd brought the character to life. Hope to see more of her in S-M4.
Props again to JK Simmons as JJJ. He is just awesome in every scene he's in. He simply just IS Jonah.
Bruce Campbell's cameo made me near pee myself. Nice to see him on Peters side this time lol
Ted Raimi's character (Hoffman?) had me literally snort with laughter in the theater. I cannot look at that man and not laugh, it's just impossible.
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Post subject: Posted: May 8th, 2007, 6:22 pm |
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I think that the second one will forever be my favorite, although I LOVE the first and third one as well. The best part about it is everything that is going on with MJ and Peter in the 2nd. One of my very favorite scenes is when she sees him as Peter and Spiderman at the same time at the end. 
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^Yes, that has got to be the reason I like SP2 best. But I love all the movies to death, especially the music...I could watch the opening credits all day long.
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Personally, I thought SP3 was good but could have been great. The problem: Sandman. I'm sure he would have been a great supervillian, but the story was complicated enough already. The first 2 movies did great with just one villian. SP3 had to have Harry as the Goblin, it was way hinted at in SP2. And I loved that. But I was sort of disappointed. I could have used some more creepy Harry, Dad and goblin scenes. Harry hardly even seemed Goblin-sih. There wasn't enough time to develop him.
And Venom, hey, that was pretty cool, great idea, made the story pretty dramatic. I could see Venom being there along with Harry-Goblin.
But Sandman was too much. Whenever it got interesting I found us having to make time for him. He had a great story, I have nothing against him, and the actor was great. It was obvious that the script could have done without, though. They should have saved Sandman for a movie all in his own instead of squeezing him in.
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PLUS...What is up with Peter never proposing??! I so wanted to see him and MJ engaged. Instead, things went from bad to worse with her, and they never really got better. (What was up with the last scene? Waah.) That's one thing I would have changed.
But with everything else to worry about, SP3 had far gone over its time limit before MJ and Peter even got to make up.  *angryrin*
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Yes, I see what you mean. The story definately could have gone well without Sandman. But that was tied in with the whole revenge thing as well, and the black suit. I think they pulled it together (with that, anyway) in the end.
However, I completely agree with your thing about MJ and Peter. I was PRAYING for five more minutes. Just five more minutes to make everything right between them. I had really been looking forward to seeing a very good and romantic moment with Peter and MJ too.  That definately was my biggest complaint about the movie, although I loved it.
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SPOILERS THROUGHOUT
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I have now seen Spiderman 3. Yay!!
Ok, my thoughts and opinions - I have never read one of the comics so there may be some things in the films I liked/disliked that may not have been in the comic or they may have been. Please don't eat me. 
For a start I have to say for me Tobey is an excellent Spiderman/Peter Parker. I never really appreciated how good an actor he is in these films. He is seriously great as Peter - I love the vunerability about him, and all the emotions his character is going though and how well these emotions come through due to his acting. I really connect with Peter, which is probably why the films work for me, and even though some of the romance with MJ is...meh....I always enjoy watching Peter to see his reactions to these situations....anyway...
I LOVED all the badguys. Truely I did. Most reviewers seemed to think there were too many, but honestly it never bothered me. My personal favourite was the Sandman. I liked the fact that Flint wasn't really a bad person, and even when he was the Sandman all he wanted was money for his daughter. I quite liked how they tied him to the death of Uncle Ben, and I loved the flasback scene when we saw what really happened. As Venom played on Flint's emotions to get him to help kill Spiderman, I also liked how it ended with Spiderman and Flint, as he seemed to realise that what he and Venom were doing wasn't right. And as he wasn't an evil person, and I think Peter realised that, there was no need for a "duel to the death" ending. My only complaint is I would have liked to have seen what happened to Flin't daughter.
HARRY!! *sob* I knew he died as I accidentally read a spoiler on here but I was sad to see his death. The battle with him and Spiderman in the beginning was pretty good, but it was so dark and fast moving it was difficult to see what was going on. Having said that, it was a good fight and because of it we got Happy Harry back! Yay! I just *knew* that wouldn't be the end of the Green Goblin Jr....and although I wanted Harry to stay as he was, I also missed Goblin. I was pretty shocked to see his scared face after his second battle with Spiderman though. Poor Harry. *huggles* But I was glad when he went to help Peter. His death seemed pretty pointless though. There was no need for his death unless he'd delivered some line like "at least I went the same way as my father" - then at least Peter would know that Harry knew he didn't kill his dad. I was waiting for a line like that, so I was pretty disappointed it didn't come.
The black stuff from outer space?... o.0....I gotta say I didn't like the fact it came from space. At all. I mean if it's so dangerous, could it not take over everyone in New York? It just looked dumb on film to me. And if it likes agression, Ok so it makes Spiderman more agressive....but why should it make Eddie like a Spiderman creature? If it's because it came off Spiderman and that's why, that sounds weird. Why didn't Peter become like the asteroid it came from. 
Venom...was just evil.....and what's with the teeth? Those probably shot the rating up. He was Ok, he just seemed a bit pointless. I think he needed more screen time to make him more of a threat. And the teaming up of him and Sandman probaly should have been a bit earlier in the film to make it more of a problem.
Black Spidey. Well more black Peter. My God, he looked weird with his hair like that and the eyeshadow. The dancing?! At first I was pretty scared of that, but I actually found it pretty funny at the end. I have NEVER squirmed or cringed as much during any scene as the dancing in the jazz club. Man, that was embarassing. I had my head in my coat. It was just too...different. No doubt they had a hoot filiming it, but I was so embarassed for Peter.
MJ. Hmmm.....I think there was wayyy too much stress being played on the jealousies between her and Peter. I thought the Spiderman parade was way too much. We know he get's more attention dudes....but please....don't over do it. Hmm....I can't really remember much about MJ.....and I only saw it yesterday.... I just think things were over-blown slightly.
And Peter was just great as well. When he wanted to propose to MJ! So sweet! And Bruce!  So funny! And he was actually more than nice to him this time! Best role of the trilogy for him! I felt so sorry for Peter when MJ told him she wanted to finish with him. I was getting all emotional. He is so under-rated in these films.
And Jonah & Co!  Oh, my he had some of the best scene and best lines from all three films!! And I love the fact we saw more of his team, as they are all great.
Gwen Stacy was good as well. I would have liked to have seen more of her, but maybe we will in future.
The ending was disappointing (I wanted to see Spiderman with Penny) but as it is not the end of the trilogy it is only to be expcted that they would leave it "open".
So, on the whole I really liked it. It was entertaining and I honestly didn't think I'd sat in my seat for 2 and a half hours.
Spiderman ****
Spiderman 2 ****
Spiderman 3 ****
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Aah you've hit a raw nerve with me about your thoughts on the symbiote/Venom/Black Costume.
The symbiote was always from space. That's it's origin a parastical alien life form. The meteor in my eyes was a cheap way to get it there and keep the alien history from the comic. Personally I wanted JJ's son to bring it back from a space mission, but that's a whole other story lol
Why didn't it take over anyone from NY? Because it was in close proximity to two life forms as it was. Plus it had just escaped from a meteor, it latched onto the nearest life form.
I personally thought the symbiote CGI was awesome. Really fantastically accurate to the comic. I was very very pleased.
The reason it made Eddie into a Spider-Man like creature was because the symbiote had already bonded to Peter. It retains that knowledge of the prior host. So when it bonded to Eddie it retained a similar form, but bigger and more aggressive thanks to Eddie's resentment, anger and burning hatred.Again, very like the comic. The reason Peter didnt become like the meteor symbiote was because that's not how the symbiote works. lol comic book reasoning really.
Venom is evil..that's the point, it's amplified Eddie's negativity. You'd need to ask the creator of Venom the teeth question. lol
I do agree with him needing more time on-screen to develop. Venom was rushed in parts, so much so he never even referred to himself as Venom. Never uttered the immortal words "We are Venom" That made me sad. Also he never spoke as Venom at all, he always pulled the symbiote back to speak. Ah well...I was just happy he was in the film and they did such an outstanding job on the suit and the CGI. The casting of Topher Grace and how well he acted as Eddie Brock was more than I could have hoped for. He was just the star of the show for me.
I loved the design of the Black suit. It really amped it up and as much as I love the original comic book black suit, this really fit with the movie tone.
Emo-Parker was a bit strange, but I liked how he thought he was the man, when he was still as dorky as ever. The dancing down the street was just typical Sam Raimi dorkiness lol I really liked the Jazz Club scene too, okay mainly cause it gave Gwen Stacy more screen time and Bryce was fab in the role. It showed Peters cockiness and arrogance increasing, the power of the symbiote getting stronger.
Sorry for the Venom 101 lol
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No, I totally respect your opinions, and I thought being the comic book fan you are, you would know more about the ins and outs of the film.
But for someone who has just gone to the cinema, with no prior knowledge of Spiderman, some aspects of the film were a bit strange and almost confusing.
Now you mention the "symbiote" I think I would have much preferred it if it had been brought back from space, or something very simialar. Falling out of the sky in a super-hero film seemed a bit....wrong somehow.
I agree with you, the CGI was very good on the symbiote. And thanks for explaining why Eddie was like Spidey - I don't think I really got that reasoning from the film, although my brother did. Lol.
 Yeah, I know he's meant to be evil. He was just really evil though. I couldn't really sympathise with this villain, although had he more screen time, maybe I could have. I've heard the director does not like the character Venom at all, and he never wanted him in the film, but he was practically forced to, which is why he is hardly in it. People say you can tell that he doesn't like the character, because of how little Venom is given to do, and how late it is in the film before we see him.
I hope we get to see more of Gwen in the next film(s). She was really good, it's a shame she wasn't in it more.
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Thanks lol I thought I'd have bored someone about half way through.
I completely agree with how they handled Venom to the non-comic book audience. As I said in my other post, they didn't even have him referred to as Venom..by anyone. Not even Brock. Sam Raimi seemed to just assume that everyone that was watching had prior knowledge of the character and his entire mythos. Which for a movie of Spider-Mans blockbuster appeal was very
Venom is really, reaaaaaaaally evil. Perhaps not as evil as Carnage, but that's another story lol. The symbiote completely bonds with Eddie because of his anger and hate. He was the perfect host for the symbiote as that's what it feeds off. Negativity.
Sam Raimi is more of a fan of the older Spidey villains like Doc Ock, Sandman, Green Goblin. But the fans wanted Venom, so he gave the fans what they asked for. I do think despite how good a job Topher and the CGI/Suit was...they could have done a lot better with the character and not rushed it so much. Or at least gave me that bloody quote lol
For the next movie I want more Gwen! The Lizard for the main villain. I'd love to see Black Cat finally get some movie time. I luffz her.
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Nah, I enjoy learning more about characters from comic books, because I find out informations about them, that isn't given in the film.
That's a good point. If it wasn't for the fact all the film magazines kept mentioning a villain called Venom, people who had never read the comics would never have known his name. Not only is it a shame for people who love the comic books that he never said - we are venom - but it's a shame for people like me, as it would have made sense to hear the character called by his name.
Yeah, he was evil. And really I've felt sorry for all the Spiderman villains so far, but maybe I don't feel sorry for him, because as a person he wasn't nice either. I mean, I know Norman Osborn wasn't a particularly nice man, but I think he has some sort of excuse because of what was happening at work etc. But Eddie was just......urgh.....arrogant, cocky, you were just waiting for something to happen to him. I agree with you, the guy who played him did a good job and didn't just make him another cocky competitor character. I think really, they should have saved Venom for another film, and used the character to better advantage. Having him on screen for 6 minutes before he died, was a waste really. I would have liked a film where he was the main (if only) villain.
Yes, Bryce Dallas Howard was really good as Gwen. I think the only reason she was in this film though was to introduce her for the future films and for the dance scene in the jazz club, so MJ has something to be jealous about. Not that I'm complaining, but I would have liked to have seen more of her.....and her dad. james Cromwell is too good an actor to say three lines and that's it.
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Maybe it's the comic book nerd in me, or my love of Eddie Brock/Venom as a character...or both combined lol. But I did find his character in the movie sympathetic, more so during the Church scene. Topher just completely nailed it and my heart just broke for him. The transformation scene was amazing and looked and sounded incredibly painful.
I'd have loved a movie with exclusively Venom as the main villain. But alas Sam Raimi wanted to get him out the way. Which is sad, as he may not even be involved with the next movies. So he's taken a personal decision that has effected the entire franchise. I'm very disapointed in him, I'm a big fan of his work.
Oh yeah definetly the reason Gwen was in the movie was to get her introduced and sadly as a plot device. I'm a huge fan of Gwen too from the comic and Bryce did my girl justice. I absolutely 100% agree with you about James Cromwell. I can only hope he too will play a bigger role in future movies.
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I have never actually read the Spiderman Comics, maybe I should, maybe I should try to find more healthy ways to express random fandom but I really do like this third (and hopefully last) installment of the Spiderman trilogy.
First off. The romance/drama between Mary Jane and Peter. Eh, it was all right. It was cute, but in the opening credits it showed Mary Jane in a wedding dress? What's that all about when we never see her in the wedding dress and we never actually get a marriage proposal? The Harry/Mary Jane/Peter thing needs to be pounded on, seriously. I mean, of course, something like that --- and old flaming crush would never just go away but gah.
Who else kept noticing how Kirsten Dunst and Tobey Maguire have the same way of crying? The extreme tremble of the bottom lip/chin?
I did NOT expect Harry to turn at the end and team up with Peter. But I guess it's good that he went out a hero and not like his father. And disturbingly, I really liked the scarring look on him. He would've made an excellent villain.
One plus regarding Harry's potential as a second Goblin. He had REALLY AWESOME TOYS. That glider thing he was flying on?! I WANT THAT.
Harry's Butler just screamed ALFRED.
Dutch Neighbor Girl. So cute. xD She was so innocently flirting with him.
I liked the fact that they never really NAMED Venom, the news casters just named him this creature to be feared. What bothered me though was the fact that there was a huge crowd of people at this DANGEROUS SIGHT and these are DANGEROUS PEOPLE. Personally, if I saw that, I'm going in the opposite direction.
Personality of the Villains.
Loved Sandman/Marko Flint. Hated how the police acted (but hey, this is new?). Eddie bothered me somewhat, and I just titled him an idiot after he went back in to get the symbiote when Peter was blowing it up.
I also liked that Spidey learned new tricks with his powers.  It's always good to evolve your methods!
Aunt May is the ultimate hero in all of it.
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This is not the last Spider-Man movie. Sony have officially confirmed there will be at least 3 more. Wether Sam Raimi, Tobey and/or Kirsten will return no-one knows. Me? I'm psyched for more, get to see some of my other fave villains like Lizard, Kraven, Morbius maybe even some Carnage and I definetly want to see some Black Cat.
The opening credits were a montage of the previous two movies. So MJ running in the dress wasn't something that was supposed to be seen in the third. There were tons of clips from 1& 2 in there.
Harry returning to his old self happend in the comics. I'm pretty sure he died in much the same way, saving Peter. I can't say enough how much I adored James Franco. Every scene he was in was just outstanding. He truly embodied Harry in every way.
I totally agree on Ursula, she was just so cute and timid and obviously adored Peter.
When I said I didn't like him being named Venom in the movie .I meant by Eddie. From the instant he bonded with the symbiote he becomes Venom and constantly refers to him as "we" and "us". I wasn't expecting the news reporters or even Spider-Man to acknowledge him as Vemon. Only Eddie.
Thomas Hayden Church nailed it as Sandman. Superb in every scene.
Aaaaaand back to Eddie/Venom. I have said it so many times, not least of all in this thread lol but I simply LOVE the character of Eddie Brock and Venom. Topher Grace captured his inner struggle, his difficulty in fitting in with people, his arrogance and cockiness and his vulnerability. The scene in the Church just got me everytime I've seen the movie. I.Love.Topher!
Him diving back in for the symbiote was very true to Eddie's need for the symbiote, it responded to him better than Peter because of his aggression and anger. Without the symbiote, Eddie didn't feel worth anything. I think maybe he presumed he could re-bond and escape befpre the pumpkin bomb went off.
Aunt May is awesome. Maybe it's me and my comic book nerdiness again. But it seemed like they were hinting that she knew Peter was Spider-Man just like the comics. She's a very canny lady, not much gets past her.
Thus endeth another comic book geek-rant.
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Yes, Kit. There are a few comic books I really want to read thanks to the movies they made of them. Spiderman....X-men....Fanatastic Four.....
As I've said before the only reason I like the MJ/Peter romance is for Peter - my heart just goes out to him when it concerns MJ. I was almost in tears when she left him on the bridge. Lol, I can't say I ever noticed the way they cried.
I accidentally read, how and why Harry died in someone's spoiler post.... yeah....dumb me... aww...I don't think I would have liked Harry as a villain....but if you're on about because of how he looked....he had evil-twisted-baddie written all over him.
LOL! I said to me brother "aren't they a bit close?" when the big whopping fight was going on at the end. I'd have watched from a safe distance....like telescopic safe distance.
 Flint really made the film for me. So nice to have a bad guy, who wasn't really a bad guy....even when he was changed by science. All he wanted was the money, and he never really hurt anyone.
My brother calls Aunt May a fortune cookie because she's always spouting words of wisdom, like you'd get in a cookie. She wwasn't too bad in this film, so he kept his sanity.
Well I'm all up for more Spidey films as well Phoenix....but I would worry slightly if the cast and crew were changed. That's usually a death knoll for sequels.
The opening credits for Spidey films are awsome. think this films credits were probably my favourite.
James Franco has really, really improved since he was in Spiderman 1, but then again his character is a lot more complex than he was to begin with, so maybe that's why. Anyone else think he would have been excellent as Anakin in Star Wars? Because I think he would have rocked.
Thank you! I have always wanted to know her name! I loved the scene where Peter shouts at her and her dad and her dad says "he is a good boy". I just was smiling, because we were meant to believe he was just a grouchy person, but he obviously likes Peter. I like the fact we saw them both more in this film.
I was just waititng for Peter to tell Aunt May, in the scene where she asked him would he put MJ before himself.....but he didn't. My brother reckons she may know though......which would be good...because then she'd realise that when Doc Ock attacked the bank, and Peter left her, it wasn't because he was a coward.... I'd love to know how he explained that!.
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Kitoky wrote: It was cute, but in the opening credits it showed Mary Jane in a wedding dress? What's that all about when we never see her in the wedding dress and we never actually get a marriage proposal?
Just to clear that up... that shot was from the second one. It's at the very end, where she's about to marry Mr. Jamison's son, John, and then runs out at the last second when she realizes that she loves Peter and doesn't care about the risks she'll have to take with him being Spiderman. It's such a good seen, with her smiling and running through New York in her wedding dress.
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