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Post subject: Gettysburg and Gods & Generals  Posted: July 1st, 2008, 11:06 am |
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I know this will be bump tho the end probably by the end of the day, but anyone? I think I can safely say that Gettysburg is my favorite movie. It's at least the best book-to-movie adaptation I've ever seen.
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Post subject: Posted: July 18th, 2008, 1:48 am |
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Definitely a civil war re-enactor's dream project. I enjoyed watching each of these movies once.
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Post subject: Posted: January 29th, 2009, 10:43 pm |
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Ooh yeah! I'm late, but each of these movies is one of my favorites. I really appreciate the focus on Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain and the 20th ME. They could've chosen to make a point of any number of companies, but to my surprise and delight they chose the twentieth. Chamberlain was quite a fellow. And no one ever mentions my state, everyone thinks we're part of Canada!
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Post subject: Posted: January 30th, 2009, 10:57 am |
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Wow, no kidding, Nienor. 
Gettysburg used to be my favourite movie (Actually, I would watch it like once a month from the ages of 7-9 o_O), and I still really love it. It's an amazing movie with beautiful music.
I always liked how they focused on the Battle of Little Round Top, too. I think they were going for a happier story than many other regiments had during the battle, so the 20th ME was probably the best choice they had. I mean, a movie about the 1st MN would have been amazing and likely heart-wrenching, but maybe a little too much so. So I'm glad that they focused on the 20th ME. 
I got really excited when God's and Generals came out, but unfortunately that was nearly of the same quality. _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: February 3rd, 2009, 12:16 am |
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Really, you didn't like Gods and Generals? May I ask why?
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Post subject: Posted: February 12th, 2009, 4:14 pm |
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Well, the music was very inferior to that of Gettysburg, the movie was edited rather differently, and in a way that made it a lot less connected to the reality of the war. It focused so much on Jackson and Lee that the overall picture kind of disappeared, IMO--I really felt absolutely unconnected to it. I felt like there wasn't any drama at all in the movie. It seemed much more poorly done than Gettysburg.
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Post subject: Posted: February 16th, 2009, 4:46 pm |
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Aerandir wrote: Well, the music was very inferior to that of Gettysburg, the movie was edited rather differently, and in a way that made it a lot less connected to the reality of the war. It focused so much on Jackson and Lee that the overall picture kind of disappeared, IMO--I really felt absolutely unconnected to it. I felt like there wasn't any drama at all in the movie. It seemed much more poorly done than Gettysburg.
I agree on some points. I love the music in Gods and Generals almost as much as Gettysburg, but it was more choppy. They went from Lee becoming the Commander back to before any real fighting and moves from there. Then there's the skipping about with Jackson's ranking...
Did anyone read the book? If not, I highly suggest it cause it's a hundred times better than the movie. There was so much potential between Jackson, Lee, and Hancock that was barely touched. _________________ Bob Seger 11/19;Celtic Thunder 9/29 Gettysburg 150th!!!
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Post subject: Posted: April 1st, 2009, 9:27 pm |
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I just saw Gods and Generals last night for the first time.
I have to say in its defence; this was originally meant to be over 6 hours and it was pretty obvious even to me, with my limited knowledge of the American Civil War, that parts were sorely missing.
My one complaint about this film, and it didn't really hit me until the end, was whether it was meant to be a film about General Jackson (then why show some scenes from the Unions point of view) or if it was a general film about the Civil War than why show so much of Jackson? But, as I said, it was meant to be longer and there should have been more scenes to even up the film, and make it more about the people on both sides, not just on one.
I really thought that Steven Lang, Robert Duvall and Jeff Daniels were very good in this. And I have never really liked Jeff Daniels.
I'm not sure whether I should admire General Jackson, or whether he was just a bit nutty. My own personal opinion over the years of the southern states of America, is that they were (and maybe still are, I don't know) a proud people who can be quite arrogant. So it was strange to see how defensive he was just for this state - not for his country, but his state. Which is weird in my opinion, as usually you're bothered about your country in times of war and not just which part of it you live in. And it was quite shocking to hear him talk of leaving no one alive, when essentially they are their own countrymen. To say something like that of foreigners who invade, I could possibly understand (although giving quarter is usually a good thing to do). I don't know. It just didn't sit right with me. Admittedly, they were being invaded, but maybe it was just because of that, they were less understanding towards their fellow men, but it was another little thing that made me be less sympathetic towards them.
The scene where the two sides of Irish met, was just so incredibly sad, especially as the Confederates knew they were up against their own, but the Unionists didn't. And the fact the people in command knew they were going to get slaugheterd and the Confederates were 10 men deep, behind a nice big stone wall.. it just kind of hit you how stupid that style of fighting was when you had no protection, the ones at the front were killed or injured first. Just incredible to think that people actually fought like that.
And the speech Jeff Daniels character made near the end was so impressive.
Now, somewhere out there is the Confederate army. They claim they are fighting for their independence, for their freedom. Now, I can not question their integrity. I believe they are wrong but I can not question it. But I do question a system that defends its own freedom while it denies it to an entire race of men. I will admit it war is a scruge, but so is slavery. It is the systematic cohersion of one group of man over another. It has been around since the book of Genesis it exists in every corner of the world, but that is no excuse for us to tolerate it here when we find it right in front of our very eyes in our own country. As God as my witness there is no one I hold in my heart dearer than you. But if your life, or mine, is part of the price to end this curse and free the negro, then let God's work be done.
That just made so much sense to me. One of my favourite parts from the film.
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Post subject: Posted: April 1st, 2009, 11:11 pm |
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The book actually focuses more on Lee and Hancock than Jackson and Chamberlain, which dissapointed me a little in the movie because Hancock is amazing. Then again, so is Jackson.
See if this helps a little, JF. At the time of the Civil War the U.S. was still more like a confederation. There was a central government with more power than before, but everyone, especially the southern states, still put loyalty to their state first. States were still more like different countries. For example, Virginia viewed their relationship with Pennsylvania like they viewed their relationship with France or England. So their allegiance was first to their country which was their state. The southern states were very adament about keeping the central government to a minimum because they were still afraid of too much power leading to a monarchy. Does that help at all? I'm running on like 20 hours of sleep since friday, so if it doesn't, let me know. 
Jackson was a bit nutty but that's what makes him so lovable  that...and Stephen Lang  I hope you can at least respect him. He was true to his beliefs. He was a brilliant and charismatic leader; Lee's finest general together with Longstreet.
As for Fredericksburg, that's where I wish they would've given Hancock his due. He fought so hard, along with Couch and a few others, to try to think of a different plan, to cross early, and a bunch of other things. They kinda shortened it to Burnside saying no and Hancock ranting to Couch (at least I think it's supposed to be Couch...)
That was a good Chamberlain speech. You should hear his couple in Gettysburg... _________________ Bob Seger 11/19;Celtic Thunder 9/29 Gettysburg 150th!!!
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