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Author: | Johnny's Fan [ February 22nd, 2011, 5:44 pm ] |
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So I know we've had Disney conversations in the past and we have a Disney club which is pretty dead, so I thought we could re-start the Disney talk by having a new thread and maybe have discussions based on th latest Disney film we have seen. Who knows, maybe like the reading club, we could all try and watch a certain film together (well more like in the same week maybe? ![]() ![]() So anyway, I would like to start off the Disney Appreciation Thread by talking about Tangled which I saw today. I absolutely adored it. One of the best computer animated films ever made and one of Disney's best. Could it have been hand drawn? Yes. Would it have looked even better? Definitely. I thought the animation was superb but thinking how the hand drawn aspect would have looked for the lantern scenes and the scenes in the forest, it almost makes my mouth water. So Disney need to get over this *thing* about their animated films not being as popular. If they don't make as much money as they hoped, then deal with it. ![]() So... I completely loved all the characters. Rapunzel, Flynn, PASCAL!!, Maximus. I thought Rapunzel was so sweet and adorable without being icky and sickly sweet. Just the right amount of courage, vulnerability etc without making her into a kick-butt female or someone incapable of anything. Flynn was also a really great character with the right mix of everything you need the male character to be. I loved his scenes with Pascal and Maximus. I think I might have a crush on him. ![]() ![]() Pascal & Maximus. Two more side-kick characters about to be inducted into Disney's Hall Of Fame. Anyone who didn't laugh/snort/roll off seat/choke/cry/smile/giggle because of something they did, must be dead as only dead people have no emotions. ![]() ![]() The animation, as I mentioned before, was in my view, amazing. The scene with the lanterns was just truly magical, and for a moment it carried me back the evenings I spent in Disneyland Paris, where everything on the parade floats twinkled and glowed and the world just seemed a prettier place to be. So that was a truly lovely connection, one which I've never had before. Disney always does scenic so well, and the way they captured the tower with the waterfall and the plants and the forest, just beautiful. I love how even with computer animation, each film has a different "look", just how Disney used to do with the classic animated films. I just wish my hair looked that soft and shiny. ![]() Teh songs! Not one I didn't like. Yay! I thought Rapunzel's song about her "day" was funny but also really sad, but in a good way, if sad can be good. ![]() ![]() So.. yeah... oh, and I know there is a big debate on IMDB about her hair, personally I LOVED the braided look... and short look... not so much... mainly because it was scraggy at the back. ![]() ![]() Soo.... any thoughts before I explode with my own? ![]() |
Author: | Nurrantiel Mashiara [ February 22nd, 2011, 8:41 pm ] |
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ZACHARY LEVI ZACHARY LEVI ZACHARY LEVI!! [s]Do I sound like a crazed fangirl yet?[/s] Ahem. I adored Tangled. It was fantastic and fabulous and everything Disney is supposed to be. Rapunzel was really sweet and (dare I say the word?) spunky. She reminded me a bit of Belle with her naivete but still adventurous. Pascal was adorable and I loved how they interacted. Mother Gothel. "Mother Knows Best" was an inspired song. I loved it. And she was a great villain character. A nice variation on the "evil stepmother" theme. Maximus was BRILLIANT. SO AWESOME. Hilarious and wonderful in every way. Including coming to Flynn's rescue. Which brings me to.. FLYNN. OMW. Okay, so I started out biased anyway because he's Zachary Levi. But still. I'm pretty positive he's my favorite hero (though Aladdin is awesome) and easily my favorite prince. (Probably because he isn't really a prince. But he's NOBLE like one, okay?) But yeah. You'll enjoy this, JF. Apparently to get his appearance, they had a ton of women describing their ideal man. Or something along those lines. So he is, essentially, the ideal of this time. Funny, no? BUT JFISHNESS, YOU DIDN'T MENTION "I SEE THE LIGHT". It has to win an award. Somewhere. It's just too beautiful and too classically Disney. Such a gorgeous song. Plus all the art direction in there, and the lanterns and the....prettttttyyyy. And I again may be biased, because hey, it was Zachary Levi singing, but I was literally just gazing at the screen in wonder. |
Author: | Minuialwen [ February 22nd, 2011, 9:13 pm ] |
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*tackleglomp* I ADORED this film! I literally forced my brothers to sit down and watch it, and even they couldn't keep from smiling and laughing at parts; though of course they deny it. ![]() I just loved Rapunzel. She was such a breath of fresh air! I loved how naively brave she was (does that make sense? It makes sense to me ![]() I SEE THE LIGHT. It was such a beautiful, beautiful song! That and 'Mother Knows Best' were my favorites...actually and 'I Have a Dream' was pretty awesome, too. Flynn was great. He didn't quite pass my favourite hero (which would be Aladdin), but he came so close. "You broke my smoulder." ![]() |
Author: | Will [ February 24th, 2011, 2:07 pm ] |
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I really liked Tangled, but it's not in my top5 Disney films. First, because, like JF already mentioned, it was an animation and I think it would have been far more beautiful if it had been hand drawn. Second because I felt no suspense while watching the movie. I thought that it all went way too easy, the break out, the saving of Rapunzel, there was just no climax. Okay, I didn't think that it was all that bad! I absolutely loved all the characters! Rapunzel was just so sweet, naive and funny. And she's just too awesome with a frying pan! ![]() ![]() Flynn, he was really awesome as well! I liked the handsome and brave criminal-thing. His flattery and jokes were very funny and I do think that he is one of the most awesome 'princes'. Pascal and Maximus, both very entertaining! All the scenes with Maximus were just so funny and Pascal... lets just say I want a chameleon as pet as well!! ![]() ![]() The songs.. Now I'm a critic when it comes down to Disney songs. I absolutely love the dark and villainy songs, with a kind of climax at the end. Thundering music or chores also work good for me.. ![]() But overall I thought it was an entertaining movie and really worthwhile to watch again. ![]() |
Author: | Nurrantiel Mashiara [ February 26th, 2011, 9:42 pm ] |
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^I see what you mean about the villain song not being a huge climax. But I think the reprise for her song is pretty dark - for the villain that she is. I mean, I feel like she's not the type of character that could have a "Be Prepared" song, but she has a pretty awesome one nonetheless. |
Author: | Johnny's Fan [ February 26th, 2011, 10:52 pm ] |
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Yay more fans! @ I See the Light Fans - I never actually took much notice of that when I saw the film... I was to dazzled by the utter beauty of the surroundings and all the twinkling Disneyland Paris lights. ![]() ![]() I think all th cast did a great job vocally - Disney are sooo good at getting the right people to do the voices. I am definitely warming to ol' Levi Nurr, and I can see the appeal believe me. I love his singing, especially in "I've Got A Dream". ![]() I have no idea who my favourite Disney hero is... the males are generally not very strong no? ![]() ![]() @ Will - ARGH! I'm waiting to see the "Art Of" book so I can hopefully se some of my favourite scenes in drawings. Such a shame that they didn't animate it traditionally, it would have been just as good story/music wise but so beautiful to look at. ![]() Well I for one had no idea where the story was going, so I was kept in suspense (although a happy one because a lot of the film was happy fighting/running/escaping and then not so much) and I COMPLETELY thought Flynn was going to die. Thought Disney were trying to break the mould or something. So... yeah. Maybe I'm just dense but the last 40 minutes or so, I didn't know how it was going to end. Aha, well I haven't seen HODD for a loooong time. I actually got halfway through it at Christmas and gave up. So that's why I didn't mention that horse. ![]() I think Mother Gothel is such an interesting character. I mean, apart from wanting to be young and kidnapping a kid... she wasn't really a bad person. I know she obviously would do pretty much anything to keep Rapunzel with her... but I think a REALLY big, powerful villain song would have made no sense, considering she had no plans for ruling a kingdom/people (Ursuala, Scar, Radcliffe) or any other big acts of villainy. And another thing was her big number was really a very concealed song about what she wanted, a lot of the others kinda tell you what they're after, but to keep it real for Rapunzel she had to carry on with the "mothering" persona, so it couldn't be really big and bad otherwise Rapunzel would have known straight away she was not all she seemed. And again with the reprise, she was getting more villanous but not to the exent that Rapunzel knew. I think "Mother Knows Best" is one of Disney's cleverest bad guy songs, and as I said, Donna Murphy is absolutely fantastic when she sings it. I think my main complaint is, after all she has done for Rapunzel - she was hardly abusing her - and that little saying "I love you - I love you more - I love you most", which even this cold hearted woman thought was "aahhh", there didn't seem to be even a tiny bit of remorse or anything... and some of the scenes it was hard not to think there was something of love or affection for Rqapunzel. I suppose it may have made the rest of the film seem pointless if she did repent slightly... but still... although she was selfish and wrong... I'm not sure she deserved to die as she did when so many really bad Disney villains didn't. Yes, I like Mother Gothel in case you didn't know. ![]() |
Author: | Anameleth [ February 27th, 2011, 10:52 pm ] |
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I just watched it today, finally ![]() I think it's one of Disney's better films out of their newer ones, more in line with the good old ones. I found it just a little bit predictable, but then we all know how the Disney story goes, right? ![]() One thing that bugged me (because these things tend to do) was that her hair was really super long, but when they braided it, it looked like it'd been just kind of long before. And also how the king and queen just kind of automatically accepted that she was their daughter, even though it'd been 18 years and she look completely different and her hair was brown, even! I guess it's the Disney happy ending again, but it was just a tiny bit too easy for me. Overall I thought it was a great movie, though ![]() |
Author: | Nienna Anárion [ February 27th, 2011, 11:13 pm ] |
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Yeah, I thought that was kinda odd too. "Oh, you look kinda like the daughter we lost when she was a baby." |
Author: | Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ February 27th, 2011, 11:24 pm ] |
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Anameleth wrote: One thing that bugged me (because these things tend to do) was that her hair was really super long, but when they braided it, it looked like it'd been just kind of long before.
Was that when the kids were braiding it in the square? It didn't strike me as odd at all, because when it was braided it looked a lot thicker than before she had braided it - my assumption was that they folded/wound up the braids several times in order to get her hair off the ground and tied them into place like that. |
Author: | Nienna Anárion [ February 27th, 2011, 11:28 pm ] |
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Haldir wrote: Anameleth wrote: One thing that bugged me (because these things tend to do) was that her hair was really super long, but when they braided it, it looked like it'd been just kind of long before. Was that when the kids were braiding it in the square? It didn't strike me as odd at all, because when it was braided it looked a lot thicker than before she had braided it - my assumption was that they folded/wound up the braids several times in order to get her hair off the ground and tied them into place like that. That's what I thought too. Makes sense. |
Author: | Johnny's Fan [ February 28th, 2011, 12:50 am ] |
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Haldir wrote: Anameleth wrote: One thing that bugged me (because these things tend to do) was that her hair was really super long, but when they braided it, it looked like it'd been just kind of long before. Was that when the kids were braiding it in the square? It didn't strike me as odd at all, because when it was braided it looked a lot thicker than before she had braided it - my assumption was that they folded/wound up the braids several times in order to get her hair off the ground and tied them into place like that. :yes: You could see quite clearly how the hair was wound and almost doubled, so it was really thick. Very pretty. I think the King and Queen just knew you know? Also, the big green eyes, exactly the same shape, size and shade as the mothers... same colour hair as the mother as well.... because I think people knew she only had yellow hair when she was born because of the flower... so yeah. Didn't really bother me too much. ![]() |
Author: | Nurrantiel Mashiara [ February 28th, 2011, 10:12 am ] |
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Of course, her hair changed length all through the movie. ![]() |
Author: | ErulissëEnethNîn [ March 20th, 2011, 11:45 am ] |
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I really, really enjoyed Tangled. I was a bit "meh" about it at first when I found out it was going to be yet another computer animated film (not a fan of Pixar at all) but I ended up really loving it. I think it would have been a perfect Disney film had it been traditionally drawn, but oh well. The scene with the lanterns was so beautiful. I was sitting there with a big goofy smile on my face. Had I been a little girl, I would have been in seventh heaven (just like I was when The Little Mermaid came out). The smolder was epic! And the guy with the unicorns. ![]() |
Author: | Arwen the webmaster [ March 20th, 2011, 9:44 pm ] |
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I love Tangled so much - have seen it twice now, once in 2D and once in 3D, and I have to say, even though the glasses are annoying - 3D was spectacular! The lantern scene especially was jaw-dropping. Did anyone else catch the lyric in I See the Light about things being "crystal clear" and think AAAAAHHHH A WHOLE NEW WORLD ALAN MENKEN IS REPEATING HIMSELF WHY AAAHHHH??? ...or was that just me being a Disney song dork? ![]() |
Author: | ErulissëEnethNîn [ March 21st, 2011, 7:58 am ] |
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Hahaha that didn't even cross my mind to be honest, and I usually notice things like that. I despise 3D with a passion so I refuse to see anything in 3D. They'd better have a 2D version of the Hobbit available or I think I'll have to gather my torch and pitchfork. But that's another discussion. |
Author: | MontanaBohemian [ April 5th, 2011, 8:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The Disney Appreciation Thread [Tangled] |
DISNEY APPRECIATION FTW. YESSSS. So I FINAAAAALLLLLLLY saw “Tangled” this weekend! ![]() Absolute love. Well, I knew I’d love it the first time I ever saw a trailer before it was out in theatres. ![]() So, all the music was fabulously fantastic and I loved it all. But I think if I have to narrow it down to one favourite, it’s the ”Incantation Song” I guess it’s called. The song for the flower/glowy hair with healing properties. ![]() ![]() What I loved most about Rapunzel was her sheer enthusiasm. The moments of her excitement when she’s finally out of the tower (coupled with the opposing “I’m such a terrible daughter” moments) just killed me. Perhaps I aspire to be so overtly happy that I found such ridiculous joy in her shrieks of glee. ![]() Also, using a frying pan as a weapon. Multiple times. This is MY kind of girl! *cackle* I thought Flynn Rider/Eugene/Zachary Levi was just brilliant. His complete silliness and adorableness just done me in. “Because to me that’s part man smell, and the other part is really bad man smell. I don’t know why, but overall it just smells like the colour brown. Your thoughts?” ![]() “Frankly, I’m too scared to ask about the frog.” “Chameleon.” “Nuance.” ![]() “You broke my smolder.” ![]() Some of the other Disney “princes” … “men” … whatever … ![]() Also, he says “stupendous.” Who says that? Nobody. Which makes him EPIC. I did want to say that the father/king won me over so completely, it’s remarkable. I mean, for a silent character, they animated him with such emotion, that my heartstrings were about to break. The moment before they light the lantern on her 18th birthday, with the tear streaking down his face – GUH. Johnny's Fan wrote: Could it have been hand drawn? Yes. Would it have looked even better? Definitely. I thought the animation was superb but thinking how the hand drawn aspect would have looked for the lantern scenes and the scenes in the forest, it almost makes my mouth water. Disney always does scenic so well, and the way they captured the tower with the waterfall and the plants and the forest, just beautiful. I love how even with computer animation, each film has a different "look," just how Disney used to do with the classic animated films. I just wish my hair looked that soft and shiny. ![]() Teh songs! Not one I didn't like. This movie would have been AMAZING if it were hand drawn. ![]() ![]() Nurrantiel Mashiara wrote: ZACHARY LEVI ZACHARY LEVI ZACHARY LEVI!! ErulissëEnethNîn wrote: The smolder was epic! ZACHARY LEVI. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. Nurrantiel Mashiara wrote: BUT JFISHNESS, YOU DIDN'T MENTION "I SEE THE LIGHT". It has to win an award. Somewhere. It's just too beautiful and too classically Disney. Such a gorgeous song. Plus all the art direction in there, and the lanterns and the....prettttttyyyy. And I again may be biased, because hey, it was Zachary Levi singing, but I was literally just gazing at the screen in wonder. “I See The Light” was very inspired. Classic Disney. Classic Alan Menken. Coupled with Zachary Levi and his voice that melts my soul, throw in that incredible lighting of the lanterns, and I was completely lost. Johnny's Fan wrote: Well I for one had no idea where the story was going, so I was kept in suspense (although a happy one because a lot of the film was happy fighting/running/escaping and then not so much) and I COMPLETELY thought Flynn was going to die. Thought Disney were trying to break the mould or something. So... yeah. Maybe I'm just dense but the last 40 minutes or so, I didn't know how it was going to end. There was definitely a moment where I thought Flynn was actually going to die. Or rather, stay dead. ![]() ![]() ![]() Nurrantiel Mashiara wrote: Mother Gothel. "Mother Knows Best" was an inspired song. I loved it. And she was a great villain character. A nice variation on the "evil stepmother" theme. Johnny's Fan wrote: I think Mother Gothel is such an interesting character. I mean, apart from wanting to be young and kidnapping a kid... she wasn't really a bad person. I know she obviously would do pretty much anything to keep Rapunzel with her... but I think a REALLY big, powerful villain song would have made no sense, considering she had no plans for ruling a kingdom/people (Ursuala, Scar, Radcliffe) or any other big acts of villainy. And another thing was her big number was really a very concealed song about what she wanted, a lot of the others kinda tell you what they're after, but to keep it real for Rapunzel she had to carry on with the "mothering" persona, so it couldn't be really big and bad otherwise Rapunzel would have known straight away she was not all she seemed. And again with the reprise, she was getting more villanous but not to the exent that Rapunzel knew. I think "Mother Knows Best" is one of Disney's cleverest bad guy songs, and as I said, Donna Murphy is absolutely fantastic when she sings it. I think my main complaint is, after all she has done for Rapunzel - she was hardly abusing her - and that little saying "I love you - I love you more - I love you most", which even this cold hearted woman thought was "aahhh", there didn't seem to be even a tiny bit of remorse or anything... and some of the scenes it was hard not to think there was something of love or affection for Rqapunzel. I suppose it may have made the rest of the film seem pointless if she did repent slightly... but still... although she was selfish and wrong... I'm not sure she deserved to die as she did when so many really bad Disney villains didn't. Yes, I like Mother Gothel in case you didn't know. ![]() Mother Gothel was definitely a different, but interesting character. I always saw her as a very cold, merciless woman. Maybe not bad, per se, but definitely self-obsessed. ![]() ![]() ![]() Very clever, though. Narcissism gets the best of her. XD And I actually thought her death was quite different. When I first saw it, I thought, ”Oh my god, we’re going to watch this woman crash into the ground after falling HOW many stories??! But this is DISNEY!!” ![]() ![]() I agree about how soft and shiny Rapunzel’s hair looks. I was practically drooling over it. XD I just kept thinking, "Maaaaaan, why can’t MY hair look that fantastic??!" Johnny's Fan wrote: "Mother Knows Best". Wow-ee. ![]() Gothel’s song was such a great new take on the “villain’s” song. I mean, she wasn’t the “evil stepmother” or the Big Bad either. No doubt she was a baddie, but a very interesting take on it – so I was nice to see that the song reflected that. What I loved about that song wasn’t so much the lyrics, but the animation and expression of Gothel herself. It was so hysterically fantastic and over-the-top. I LOVED it. I was just in fits of laughter every time she crescendoed to "MOOOOOTHEEERRRRRRRRRRRR knows best!" ![]() But I have to agree, the Reprise of that song, was much darker. Much more of Gothel’s act, as it were, slipping away to reveal what she’s really all about. Johnny's Fan wrote: Haldir wrote: Anameleth wrote: One thing that bugged me (because these things tend to do) was that her hair was really super long, but when they braided it, it looked like it'd been just kind of long before. Was that when the kids were braiding it in the square? It didn't strike me as odd at all, because when it was braided it looked a lot thicker than before she had braided it - my assumption was that they folded/wound up the braids several times in order to get her hair off the ground and tied them into place like that. You could see quite clearly how the hair was wound and almost doubled, so it was really thick. Very pretty. Johnny’s Fan wrote: So.. yeah... oh, and I know there is a big debate on IMDB about her hair, personally I LOVED the braided look... and short look... not so much... mainly because it was scraggy at the back. ![]() ![]() Speaking as someone who’s nickname on occasion is in fact Rapunzel (I kid you not), let me assure you that even remarkably long hair shortens in length when you braid it. Especially when it’s full of other braids and wound around and tucked here and there. ![]() ![]() As for her new ‘do, I didn’t like it much at all. ![]() ![]() ![]() Anameleth wrote: And also how the king and queen just kind of automatically accepted that she was their daughter, even though it'd been 18 years and she look completely different and her hair was brown, even! I guess it's the Disney happy ending again, but it was just a tiny bit too easy for me. I completely agree with you on that one. It kind of bothered me that they somehow ended up at the castle, and no explanations were necessary. But, I’ll just convince myself that the look on the guard’s face meant that somehow they explained it all it all made sense. XD ErulissëEnethNîn wrote: The scene with the lanterns was so beautiful. I was sitting there with a big goofy smile on my face. Had I been a little girl, I would have been in seventh heaven (just like I was when The Little Mermaid came out). Johnny’s Fan wrote: The animation, as I mentioned before, was in my view, amazing. The scene with the lanterns was just truly magical, and for a moment it carried me back the evenings I spent in Disneyland Paris, where everything on the parade floats twinkled and glowed and the world just seemed a prettier place to be. So that was a truly lovely connection, one which I've never had before. Arwen the webmaster wrote: The lantern scene especially was jaw-dropping. The lanterns scene. Guh. I was just dumbstruck. Kind of took my breath away. I was actually so distracted by the beauty of it that I completely forgot that there was a song being sung. And then of course Mr. Levi just had to steal my heart with that voice. *melts* I now desperately want those lanterns. I don’t care if they don’t float, they are just waaaaaay too pretty. Okay, yes. I want them to float. ![]() In all seriousness, the lantern scene was flat out, hands down, by far one of the most stunning moments I’ve ever seen. In anything. Anywhere. No word can really describe it properly. ![]() ErulissëEnethNîn wrote: And the guy with the unicorns. ![]() The guy with the unicorns MADE MY DAY. I just lost it when he smiled after clinking the two together. GAH! LOOOOOVE. Also, the old man with the wings. I about died every time he was on screen. ”What’s the password?!” “What?” “Nope.” “Open the door!” “Not even close.” ![]() Arwen the webmaster wrote: I love Tangled so much - have seen it twice now, once in 2D and once in 3D, and I have to say, even though the glasses are annoying - 3D was spectacular! Did anyone else catch the lyric in I See the Light about things being "crystal clear" and think AAAAAHHHH A WHOLE NEW WORLD ALAN MENKEN IS REPEATING HIMSELF WHY AAAHHHH??? ...or was that just me being a Disney song dork? ![]() Mah dearest Arweb, yes. You are being a Disney song dork because I never noticed that. XD But we love you any way. ![]() ![]() ErulissëEnethNîn wrote: I despise 3D with a passion so I refuse to see anything in 3D. They'd better have a 2D version of the Hobbit available or I think I'll have to gather my torch and pitchfork. But that's another discussion. I’m with teh Eru on this one. 3D NEEDS TO DIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. *cough* Torch and pitchforks at the ready if no 2D version of the Hobbit. ![]() Although, I will admit that it might have been interesting to see the lantern scene in 3D. But I’ll think I’ll survive having not. Johnny’s Fan wrote: I hope Alan Menken lives forever because Disney needs his music. YES. ALAN MENKEN IS A FRAKKING GOD. HE IS MY CHILDHOOD. HE IS MY HERO. I honestly don’t want to think about how depressing this world would be without his music. Anyway, those are my thoughts. As long winded as they are. I LOVED THIS MOVIE. And now I need the soundtrack. |
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