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Post subject: Posted: August 6th, 2005, 12:40 am |
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MontanaBohemian wrote: Sorry! I love to debate and argue and scream and yell and throw things at the television when Mr. Bu - Ummm . . . okay. Maybe that's me all the time . . . *nervous laugh* Hee hee hee. I'd love to argue with your post, but as of right now, I can't think of anything to go against. Maybe I'll find a spelling error and argue with that! Ha ha! *draws sword* En guarde! Ermm...okay. I'll find something! I swear!  I hvae alot of spleling erorrs! Bring 'em! Beriadanwen wrote: Ah, but that's how the others around him feel. But I think that Dumbledore has more faith in them then they do in themselves.
I agree with Beriad---Dumbledore's faith in others probably has been questioned, [i.e. Snape, Kreacher, etc.] but I'm sure the Order can handle their own without Dumbledore. I wouldn't be surprised if Lupin became head of the Order if only temporarily. What I'm wondering, though, is if Kreacher is going to play a bigger part in this next book because Hogwarts wouldn't really need him. Or if Harry would send him off to do something without being clear on the rules which causes some BIG stuff. Well, Dobby will straighten him out, yes he will!
Do you guys think Slughorn will play a bigger part? I think he most certainly will. Whether it be an encounter with Death Eaters. I wouldn't be surprised if they threatened to disconnect his head from his shoulders if he didn't make a type of poison or something. Or maybe he'll surprise us and stand up against the Death Eaters.
...Did Kit actually write a post that didn't discuss anything about Snape?!
*faints*
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Post subject: Posted: August 6th, 2005, 4:53 am |
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Did anyone else think that Dunbledore and Harry were too trusting of Kreacher in this book?
The only proof they had that kreacher belonged to Harry was that Kreacher obeyed Harry's orders. However Kreacher could have been told to obey them and act as if he didn't want to by Belatrix.
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Post subject: Posted: August 6th, 2005, 7:49 am |
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I'm very weary of Kreacher yes, but I get the impression, that Kreacher was mostly part of Sirius's Will. I would imagine that since it WAS Sirius's house, Kreacher regardless, of if he wished it or not, had to obey. Though didn't it say somewhere if Sirius died, the house would belong to the Malfoys? However if Sirius wrote his Will before he died and stated that all his possessions would go to Harry....
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Post subject: Posted: August 6th, 2005, 8:37 am |
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Elanor wrote: Did anyone else think that Dunbledore and Harry were too trusting of Kreacher in this book?
The only proof they had that kreacher belonged to Harry was that Kreacher obeyed Harry's orders. However Kreacher could have been told to obey them and act as if he didn't want to by Belatrix.
I did! If Kreacher had been told by someone else to pretend to obey Harry, he would. I thought that was a big slip on someone's part... but not sure who. Though he'd have difficulties acting as a spy from Hogwarts if he were being watched by the other house elves. And he could have working for someone else, since he already proved that he wasn't adverse to breaking or bending house elf laws in Order of the Phoenix. I'm sure he could have interpreted the will differently if he choose.
In fact, I thought the whole house elf thing was glossed over a bit in the book. I just expected more attention to be paid to it, I guess. *shrugs*
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Post subject: Posted: August 7th, 2005, 2:34 pm |
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has anyone noticed that Hermione has dropped spew? 
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Post subject: Posted: August 7th, 2005, 5:23 pm |
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Lady Dark Moon wrote: has anyone noticed that Hermione has dropped spew? 
Yeah I noticed that
Although she was kinda upset with Harry when she found out that he was using Kreacher and Dobby to spy on Draco 
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Post subject: Posted: August 7th, 2005, 9:00 pm |
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ViviElessar wrote: Lady Dark Moon wrote: has anyone noticed that Hermione has dropped spew?  Yeah I noticed that Although she was kinda upset with Harry when she found out that he was using Kreacher and Dobby to spy on Draco 
I'm mad about that actually.
It all comes down to Hermione always supports Ron and Harry on their things and they never support anything she wants to do.
T.T
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Post subject: Posted: August 7th, 2005, 11:59 pm |
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Kitoky wrote: ViviElessar wrote: Lady Dark Moon wrote: has anyone noticed that Hermione has dropped spew?  Yeah I noticed that Although she was kinda upset with Harry when she found out that he was using Kreacher and Dobby to spy on Draco  I'm mad about that actually. It all comes down to Hermione always supports Ron and Harry on their things and they never support anything she wants to do. T.T
Hahaha That is very truth Kitoky!
Poor Hermione has to support them and they don't support her in her S.P.E.W. thingy 
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Post subject: Posted: August 8th, 2005, 2:54 am |
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I don't think Hermione has dropped SPEW. Like I said before, I think the whole house-elf thing was glossed over in this book... it wasn't carried through as well as it could have been.
But I think it's also because Hermione had more "on her plate" in this book so to speak... about from the Voldemort situation, I think socially there were more tensions, plus the increased work load. I guess she felt that she had more important battles to be fighting.
I think Hermione's SPEW thing is important, and while I can see where Ron and Harry are coming from... she's got to stand up for her own beliefs as well.
I've a question to put to everyone.
If Harry dies at the end of the 7th book, will you be traumatised and shocked and all the rest of it... or will you accept it?
I think for me, it would depend on how he died, but I think, I just think, that I could accept it. In a way it's a bit like Frodo leaving middle earth. It'd all be saved, but not for him. (and I don't think she should copy LOTR, but I think that there is some truth in that viewpoint.)
I think it'd be sad, but I doubt I'd be as shattered as if, say, that had happened in the fourth book.
What do you think? 
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Post subject: Posted: August 8th, 2005, 12:41 pm |
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Herenya wrote: I don't think Hermione has dropped SPEW. Like I said before, I think the whole house-elf thing was glossed over in this book... it wasn't carried through as well as it could have been. But I think it's also because Hermione had more "on her plate" in this book so to speak... about from the Voldemort situation, I think socially there were more tensions, plus the increased work load. I guess she felt that she had more important battles to be fighting. I think Hermione's SPEW thing is important, and while I can see where Ron and Harry are coming from... she's got to stand up for her own beliefs as well. I've a question to put to everyone. If Harry dies at the end of the 7th book, will you be traumatised and shocked and all the rest of it... or will you accept it? I think for me, it would depend on how he died, but I think, I just think, that I could accept it. In a way it's a bit like Frodo leaving middle earth. It'd all be saved, but not for him. (and I don't think she should copy LOTR, but I think that there is some truth in that viewpoint.) I think it'd be sad, but I doubt I'd be as shattered as if, say, that had happened in the fourth book. What do you think? 
Good question Herenya!
Ok. If Harry dies, I think I'll be in shocked and sad. A part of me thinks that Harry is going to die but there's another part of me that wants Harry to live happy for once in his life after all he's been through.
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Post subject: Posted: August 8th, 2005, 1:07 pm |
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I'm with Herenya, I think my reaction would depend on how he died. Just like I've said with Snape before. If Snape were to die by the hand of Lupin, I can accept that but if not, probably no...
Snape denial - ahoy!
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Post subject: Posted: August 8th, 2005, 2:41 pm |
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You know, about Harry dying in the 7th book. I've been saying that it will probably happen . . . and I think comparing it to Frodo and LOTR pretty much fits how I feel. I mean, it would come as a shock if he didn't destroy Voldemort . . . but I think that they'll both die. I don't think I'll be too shocked. I've said it for quite a few years now, though everyone INSISTS that he's gonna kill Voldemort and survive and live a long life. Bah to them! As anyone knows, classics are the tragedies, and to have a perfect tragedy, all must die. Larien was in my Humanities class, she can back me up on this! I'm not saying there won't be any emotion on my part, it will be sad, but it will be that "cathartic" moment and the tripartide soul stuff. Ha ha ha. Off topic, I didn't even pay enough attention in Humanities to know what I'm talking about.
Okay, I need to get back on track! And like you guys have said, it probably depend on how he dies. But oh well, I'm kind of expecting something like that to happen. Maybe he'll commit suicide. Ooh. That'd be interesting.  Or maybe at the end, he'll wake up from a coma after being seriously injured by Dudley and it was all a dream and he's still 11.  Ooooh.
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Post subject: Posted: August 8th, 2005, 10:39 pm |
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Oh! I forgot to add, about comparing it to LOTR. Wait no, you said copying it. I just have to say, that as original as her novels are, and as original as most fantasies are, there is always that draw to LOTR. I'm just saying that after reading HP there are considerable similarities to LOTR . . . If that made any sense . . . sorry if it didn't. Anyways, we're here to talk about the book not about comparing it to something else that's completely out of HP's league. Okay. Harry Potter. Think magic!
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Post subject: Posted: August 8th, 2005, 11:16 pm |
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Well HP does have a lot of similarities with LotR, but I think Rowling took a bunch of classics and merged them into her own story. Besides LotR, she took many ideas from Roald Dahl's books. In Jamie and the Giant Peach, the main character has two aunts who treat him horribly, much like Harry's own relatives do. Even while I was reading Jamie and the Giant Peach, I thought that Dahl had copied Rowling, but then I remembered that Dahl wrote stories while Rowling was young. And Dahl was also a British author, so I assume he played a role in Rowling's literature when she was a child.
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Post subject: Posted: August 8th, 2005, 11:54 pm |
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Herenya wrote: Elanor wrote: Did anyone else think that Dunbledore and Harry were too trusting of Kreacher in this book?
The only proof they had that kreacher belonged to Harry was that Kreacher obeyed Harry's orders. However Kreacher could have been told to obey them and act as if he didn't want to by Belatrix. I did! If Kreacher had been told by someone else to pretend to obey Harry, he would. I thought that was a big slip on someone's part... but not sure who. Though he'd have difficulties acting as a spy from Hogwarts if he were being watched by the other house elves. And he could have working for someone else, since he already proved that he wasn't adverse to breaking or bending house elf laws in Order of the Phoenix. I'm sure he could have interpreted the will differently if he choose. In fact, I thought the whole house elf thing was glossed over a bit in the book. I just expected more attention to be paid to it, I guess. *shrugs* Good points you guys  I've never trusted Kreacher  I think that he'll definately come up in the 7th book. And about Hermione "dropping" S.P.E.W, I was kind of upset about that too. Shame on Ron and Harry for not supporting her!  Personnaly I hope that Harry doesn't die in the 7th book but if he does I'll be fine. Just so long as Ron doesn't die  If someone kills Harry I want it to be Bellatrix Lestrange. I love her; I think she's awesome. Why? I don't know but I've always thought that she was cool. MontanaBohemian wrote: Maybe he'll commit suicide. Ooh. That'd be interesting.  That would be horrible! MontanaBohemian wrote: Or maybe at the end, he'll wake up from a coma after being seriously injured by Dudley and it was all a dream and he's still 11.  Ooooh.
Haha I like that idea!
EDIT: Omg! What if Ron dies??!!!! AGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! I can totally see it happening though!!! Harry gets all mad and goes and kills Voldemort!!! Nooooooo!!! Let Harry Die!!
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Post subject: Posted: August 9th, 2005, 6:19 am |
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I have thought that in the 7th book Herry will die AFTER he has finished Voldemort (I really can't spell today  anyway) . I had this kind of vision that one of the Dead Eaters will kill Harry kind of revenge..... And it is only my imagination.... But who knows?
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