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Post subject: Contrasted....  Posted: July 22nd, 2006, 6:58 pm |
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Ivreniel wrote: But more than that, I believe it's because we can sense something greater beyond the immediate circumstances in his tales which point us to beauty. They're all part of a great story, a great dance of life, and even when one part is finished, there's always someone or something who will carry it on. Plus, that specific part of the story is over, complete, even when it feels oh too short. Hope remains. Light above and beyond shadows.
How beautiful is that? It's glorious, if you think about it.
I agree, what I hear you saying here is that it is the hope that comes out of the sorrow that is so beautiful and glorious.
I would add that sadness comes when beauty is contrasted with ugliness or evil. Though we are sad with the terrible or evil portrayal, beauty appears so much more alluring, resplendent and desirable against that backdrop. How can we really conceptualize beauty if we haven't seen ugly? So sadness is so closely related to beauty.
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Post subject: Drown them in your insight!!!! Posted: July 22nd, 2006, 7:03 pm |
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Fíriel_18190 wrote: ...because I've made the experience that many people don't understand why I like these stories so much and I never knew what to tell them....
I have had the same experience Firiel. My family and friends wonder at and don't understand my intense passion for LotR and Narnia. I don't know what to tell them either except to drown them in my insights (lol) or look for those who do resonate with me.
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Post subject: Posted: July 26th, 2006, 8:52 pm |
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Wow. great thread. Very....... deep. and thought provoking.
You're completely right. Tolkien's work always strikes me with that idea: beauty in sorrow. I just never really had a name for it before.
his characters go through great suffering and pain (the sorrow), but in the end, their lives or the lives of others are always bettered (the beauty).
Once again, very nice thread.
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Post subject: Posted: August 11th, 2006, 3:13 pm |
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Oh! And I've just found that there's a line that mentions something like this in the Silm! It's in the very beginning when they are talking about Iluvatar and the Ainur's songs and it says: "The one was deep and wide and beautiful, but slow and blended with immeasureable sorrow, from which it's beauty chiefly came."
Is that where you got the idea for this thread from? It's a really beautiful thought.
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Post subject: Posted: August 11th, 2006, 6:56 pm |
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I agree!!!! Tolkiens Works are just so Beautiful and some are sorrow but it sometimes ends up good!!!!!
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Post subject: Posted: October 19th, 2006, 5:20 am |
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Wow... for some reason I just feel in awe all of a sudden. And I felt drawn to this thread. I'll try not to break the awe going here when I post. I agree that there is beauty in sorrow in Lord of the Rings. Definately. There is so much sadness going on, yet it is so beautifully written and so touching... and, well, beautiful. Tolkien really has a way to inspire people and his writing is so unique and creative he just draws you in and makes you feel it.
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Post subject: Posted: October 19th, 2006, 8:35 pm |
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The sorrow in Tolkien's work gives it the ineffable touch of beauty that I hold so dear to my heart. I believe that one of the reasons it touches us so deeply is that we have all felt sorrow, or will sometime in our lives. A year and a half ago, I had my heart wholly shattered, and didn't start healing for a full year. During that time, I saw the pain in Tolkien's writings, and understood it and felt it in a new way. But it brought me hope, hope of being whole again, hope of beauty beyond darkness. And it was a wonderful thing to have to think about. Sorrow is often what makes something beautiful, so long as the sorrow is not utterly hopeless. After great hurt, people often seem more beautiful in personality, stronger and more alive. I hope all this has made any sense.
Also, I do believe that there is beauty after every pain. Especially as I'm a Christian I believe this (and I am not pursuing that any farther, to respect forum rules).
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Post subject: Posted: October 20th, 2006, 6:20 am |
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So true, Altariel Frodo.... Especially your last paragraph.
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Post subject: Posted: October 20th, 2006, 9:28 am |
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i think that it's not the sorrow that's beautiful so much as the reason for feeling it. in tolkien at least, sorrow always seems to stem from love - characters only feel sorrowful because they have loved and lost or love and are in danger of losing (e.g. luthien's sorrow at beren's death, eowyn's sorrow at aragorn's rejection). it is that love that we find so beautiful and it's loss that makes it so poignant.
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