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Post subject: Posted: January 4th, 2007, 3:19 pm |
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^I would have to agree with that. I think it's a possibility that some Entwives are there, but certainly not all the trees are Entwives; if any, maybe four or five of them is what I'm thinking.
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Post subject: Posted: January 4th, 2007, 3:35 pm |
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Agreed. Any more than four or five, and I think at least the Elves would know about them.
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Post subject: Posted: January 4th, 2007, 5:35 pm |
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Not neccesarily, the elves don't often venture in those areas of Middle-Earth, other than when they're going to The Undying Lands, and when they are, I don't think they pay much attention to possible Entwives in the area...
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Post subject: Posted: January 6th, 2007, 12:45 pm |
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Joined: 07 October 2006 Posts: 2474 Location: From the north I have come, need has driven me and I have passed the doors to the path of the M6
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I spose that tolkine left some loose ends maybe to allow the reader to work them out or summat. There is a huge amount of stuf in Tolkiens universe so we shud forgive him or maybe he resolved them and we just dont know about It I havent th efoggiest lol.
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Post subject: Posted: January 6th, 2007, 4:57 pm |
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I'd like the idea that the Ents would find the Entwives today and that some Entwives are in the Old Forest. But of course I don't know...
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Post subject: Posted: January 8th, 2007, 8:00 pm |
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Joined: 07 October 2006 Posts: 2474 Location: From the north I have come, need has driven me and I have passed the doors to the path of the M6
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I wonder what the ents and the entwives meeting would be like after so long like? What would they do when they first meet after so long? Im just thinking out loud but some ideas would be fun.
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Post subject: Posted: January 9th, 2007, 1:11 pm |
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Well I think they'd probably talk for a looong time. And I think it would maybe take them a bit longer to get closer to each other again, since ents are not "hasty"
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Post subject: Posted: January 9th, 2007, 1:32 pm |
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The Entwives! Now there's lies yet another mystery dwelling in the land Tolkien created! That's a fascinating thought! Yes you're quite right Treebeard mentions something of the entwives disappearing. I really must get around to reading all of the books fully when i have time but at a guess i would assume that the entwives are symbolic of the destruction caused by the evil in Middle-Earth. I would say that it is almost as though the entwives are extinct in the minds of the ents and i would therefore assume that Tolkien used this disappearance as a way in which to create a big picture of the atrocity caused by the forces of evil toward all that is beautiful and good within Middle-Earth i.e. the destruction of the sacred entwives, being natural to the earth as trees.
It really has the viewer intrigued as to why this happened and how but as someone has rightly mentioned Tolkien's magic lies within his ability to create what some might call "loose-ends" in the sense he never explains occurances such as this fully. One can only imagine that Tolkien knew in his heart that his readers would know this and therefore there is a great hope of the entwives exisiting in places such as the Old Forest, also mentioned earlier. It's a way in which Tolkien created a connection between himself and the reader...through creating situations such as this and leaving it up to the reader to decide what they like although Tokien in his mind probably meant for us to believe in the exsistence of entwives therefore he meant them to exist.
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Post subject: rr Posted: January 9th, 2007, 4:03 pm |
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Joined: 07 October 2006 Posts: 2474 Location: From the north I have come, need has driven me and I have passed the doors to the path of the M6
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Frodos-Guide wrote: The Entwives! Now there's lies yet another mystery dwelling in the land Tolkien created! That's a fascinating thought! Yes you're quite right Treebeard mentions something of the entwives disappearing. I really must get around to reading all of the books fully when i have time but at a guess i would assume that the entwives are symbolic of the destruction caused by the evil in Middle-Earth. I would say that it is almost as though the entwives are extinct in the minds of the ents and i would therefore assume that Tolkien used this disappearance as a way in which to create a big picture of the atrocity caused by the forces of evil toward all that is beautiful and good within Middle-Earth i.e. the destruction of the sacred entwives, being natural to the earth as trees.
It really has the viewer intrigued as to why this happened and how but as someone has rightly mentioned Tolkien's magic lies within his ability to create what some might call "loose-ends" in the sense he never explains occurances such as this fully. One can only imagine that Tolkien knew in his heart that his readers would know this and therefore there is a great hope of the entwives exisiting in places such as the Old Forest, also mentioned earlier. It's a way in which Tolkien created a connection between himself and the reader...through creating situations such as this and leaving it up to the reader to decide what they like although Tokien in his mind probably meant for us to believe in the exsistence of entwives therefore he meant them to exist.
Any lesser webpage would ahve said that the Entwives were allegorical, but I think that Tolkien may have lso thought that it would make the story more interesting, mysterious if u will if the enwives just "disapperared" if u will
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Post subject: Posted: January 14th, 2007, 9:23 pm |
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Joined: 24 September 2006 Posts: 75 Location: turning my eyes to squares
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I myself have always thought the subject of the Entwives rather interesting for a while I searched through every Tolkien book I own (which is alot) I couldn't find anything about them, then I turned to the Internet; the provided no answers. I think there might be a mention of them in The History of Middle Earth series but I don't own the whole set so I don't know. *sigh*
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Post subject: Posted: January 15th, 2007, 12:52 pm |
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yeah, same here. I haven't found anything about them so far. Does anyone who owns the History of Middle Earth series know if there is any information about the entwives??
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Post subject: Posted: January 16th, 2007, 6:43 pm |
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Joined: 07 October 2006 Posts: 2474 Location: From the north I have come, need has driven me and I have passed the doors to the path of the M6
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I think in TROTK when aragorn gives them lands to roam inot treebeard says " Forestst there may be , but there will be no more entings" I think tahts it. adnd I think Tolkien says taht teh entwives were destroyed in letter no #144 or soemthing. I think those quotes are correct anyways. tell me if theyre wrong lol.
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Post subject: Posted: January 17th, 2007, 9:19 am |
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oh ok.. I haven't read Tolkien's letters so I don't know. But at least that's an answer. Thanks a lot 
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