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Post subject:  Posted: January 4th, 2007, 1:16 pm |
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???? What do you mean by "much better?" Are you implying that that is how you think the Black Sea and Middle-earth correspond, or are you saying you wish that that was how it was? I don't really understand your statement.
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Post subject: Posted: January 4th, 2007, 1:34 pm |
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I'm implying how I think Middle-Earth corresponds with modern Europe.
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Post subject: Posted: January 4th, 2007, 1:56 pm |
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I think that the Sea of Rhun is too far north to be the Black Sea, but since I currently have neither a map of Earth or a map of Middle-earth available, I don't remember for sure.
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Post subject: Posted: January 4th, 2007, 2:06 pm |
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Any chance Middle-Earth and modern Europe doesn't correspond at all? I mean, do we <i>know</i> that Tolkien created Middle-Earth basing it upon Europe?
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Post subject: Posted: January 4th, 2007, 2:08 pm |
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I'm not sure. I hope he didn't, because I really don't like imagining them the same, but maybe someone else does know for certain that he did or didn't.
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Post subject: Posted: January 5th, 2007, 6:11 am |
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Yes he did base it on modern Europe. Or at least part of it. As far as I'm concerned, Tolkien thought that The Shire is supposed to be England. For the rest of Europe, nothing can be said for certain.
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Post subject: Posted: January 5th, 2007, 6:16 am |
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Where do you have that information from?
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Post subject: Posted: January 5th, 2007, 6:18 am |
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From one of the DVD disks (special features). There were various interviews of Tom Shippey, Brian Sibley, etc, etc and one talked about this fact. Cant remember who or which CD exactly.
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Post subject: Posted: January 5th, 2007, 7:06 am |
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Okay, I understand. I'd just never heard anything about it before, and I thought it sounded a bit weird. But of course, given the fact that he wanted to give Brittain a mythological history (or w/e to call it), it sounds logical, really.
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Post subject: Posted: January 10th, 2007, 9:29 am |
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My country isn't mapped then! I live in Canada   _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: January 10th, 2007, 2:52 pm |
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Pardon me for asking but where is the Black Sea and why did Tolkien choose to set it there?!
P.S where do you get this sort of information?
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Post subject: Posted: January 10th, 2007, 3:59 pm |
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Quote: Pardon me for asking but where is the Black Sea and why did Tolkien choose to set it there?!
P.S where do you get this sort of information?
Ok. Let me make this clear. I am not saying that Tolkien DID say the Black Sea IS the Sea of Rhun. It was just MY opinion on what I think.
Now, regards the Shire as being England, YES, as far as I'm concerned, Tolkien referenced the location of England upon the Shire.
NOW. Where did I get the information from (the Shire part I mean):- It was one of the special features interviews on the LoTR DVDs. Apologies for not knowing which DVD and which interview (since it has been a long while since I've seen them), but I will try and find it.
Thanks.
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Post subject: Posted: January 10th, 2007, 4:34 pm |
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^Well it DOES make sense.. the Black Sea.. Mordor? Mordor means "Black Land".
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Post subject: Posted: January 11th, 2007, 10:51 am |
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Quote: ^Well it DOES make sense.. the Black Sea.. Mordor? Mordor means "Black Land".
I finally! Some back-up! hehe ... thanks Haldir o Lórien. Infact, that was one of my thoughts for making me think like that.
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Post subject: Posted: January 11th, 2007, 12:53 pm |
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LoL no prob! Smart thinking though.. I'd have never thought about it if you didn't bring it up You can call me Haldir by the way  _________________
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Post subject: Posted: January 11th, 2007, 3:08 pm |
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Quote: LoL no prob! Smart thinking though.. I'd have never thought about it if you didn't bring it up You can call me Haldir by the way
Hehe .... glad I gave some new thinking in this!  Thanks Haldir!
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