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Post subject:  Posted: June 19th, 2005, 9:17 pm |
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Arien Elensar wrote: Um sorkYes I understood that. Badically, I don't think that a person can be called bad for what their leaders decide. For example, in war, there's one good side and one bad. The people fighting on the bad side aren't all necessarily bad. They could have a great personality or be really nice. They just want to defend their country and can't be blamed for the decisions their leaders and not they themselves made.
Thank you Arien that is exactly what I was trying to say.
Oh, Ea I think your question has an answer that is probably to complex to explain in a simple way.......I will have to think about it.
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Post subject: Posted: June 20th, 2005, 3:41 pm |
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Hmmm... I've thought about this myself and I think in situations like this there isn't one right anwer. It depends on the situation and persons way of thinking and the environment that surronds them. But I have to leave now so I will write more about it later.
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Post subject: Posted: June 20th, 2005, 9:15 pm |
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Eä wrote: Larael Greenleaf wrote: You all have many good points, and to comment on yours Ea I would say. It is confusing to decide who is good and who is evil in our world today, because say with America and Iraq (this is just an example, I don't mean to offend anyone) most Americans might think that Iraqi terorrists are evil, but Iraqi citizens (maybe) and Iraqi terrorists might think we are the evil ones. The U.S is fighting them because they think that they are 'evil', but why are the terrorists fighting back? Maybe because they think the opposite, that the U.S is 'evil' and not them. This is very confusing. Good point Ea. Thanks for joining the good/evil discussion! That's exactly what I was trying to say; that good and evil depends on the whose side you're on. But in reality we're talking about right and wrong here. He who has the strongest military power has the right on his side, sadly enough... But good and evil what is that? I mean deep down, fundamentally, literally speaking. Is it even possible to seperate it from any sociology, teology, psychology, politics and nature? I'm not trying to turn it into a religious discussion because we will be getting nowhere from there but I'm trying to get down to the very basic... what is the nature of 'good', the cardinal features...? (Personally I believe that we basically know when we act 'good' but our choices and judgments can be blurred... thus it will be wrong to kill another person but there can be situations where we are not able to act 'right', however, we're still aware that the act is wrong....). Quote: I notice that many of you choose Varda. I, too, like strong and wise ones. Beauty? Beauty is just outer stuff, as we all know I guess, so that's pretty much irrelevant, but in the world of Tolkien, I suppose that the beautiful ones are the good ones. (Hence: Arwen and Galadriel and numerous others.) Anyone ever hear of a beautiful Sauron or a beautiful Gollum?
Good point, Elberethsq and I'd like to add to this. The Valar and Maiar are spirits and they can take on any form they wish. E.g. Sauron (Maia-spirit) appeared to the elves and men of Númenor as a noble and handsome man in... the second age I believe... to gain their trust and confidence, though he actually spyed for Melkor.  ^good points. And I didn't mean to bring up any offensive fuss about my comment if anyone did think it wasn't correct. Anyway . . . To everyone: Don't go trusting people just because they look handsome! (That goes for personal relationships, too.)
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Post subject: Posted: June 20th, 2005, 10:21 pm |
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Good advice Elberethsq!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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Post subject: Posted: June 20th, 2005, 10:38 pm |
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*smiles at Larael Greenleaf's comment.* Thank you. _________________
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Post subject: Posted: June 21st, 2005, 12:49 am |
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Yes, that's very wise advice Elberethsq.
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Post subject: Posted: June 22nd, 2005, 4:36 pm |
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*smiles at Arien's comment* thank you! (Can I call you Arien?) _________________
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Post subject: Posted: June 23rd, 2005, 12:53 am |
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Of course! You can call me anything you'd like. _________________
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Post subject: Posted: June 23rd, 2005, 12:20 pm |
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That's cool. I prefer to call you all by your names. So Ea and Elberethsq!
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Post subject: Posted: June 23rd, 2005, 1:09 pm |
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My favorite Vala is Varda Elentari.
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Post subject: Posted: June 23rd, 2005, 8:14 pm |
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Eä wrote: Oh, I'd like to call you Arien too... for short! You all can call me whatever you like... even longer names!!!!  Since we're all telling eachother what to call ourselves, I'll just say that ya'll can call me whatever you like;Larael Greenleaf, or just Larael for short!
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Post subject: Posted: June 27th, 2005, 5:33 pm |
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I prefer Larael. _________________
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Post subject: Posted: June 27th, 2005, 7:10 pm |
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Thats fine with me.
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Post subject: Posted: June 27th, 2005, 9:09 pm |
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The name Larael is just better to say when you know each other pretty well. Calling Larael "Larael Greenleaf" would be like calling a sister by her full name. So Larael it is, and Arien it is. _________________
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