I suppose we meant that all books that do not contravene the laws of our countries.It is a fair point u make Eowyn of Ithilien, , but the original point I assume was made with natural exceptions that anyone should have automatically used or assumed lol.

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harry potter may not convene the laws of any country, but it has the potential to pose a serious threat to people on a spiritual level, and that is just as real and just as dangerous as the threat of terrorism. more so.

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Trouble is, that a person is in control of what they allow to affect them spiritually whereas terrorist manuals help terrorists to affect others in a personal way which they cany stop m8.

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i think you've all got a little too hung up on the terrorism thing. i've already said that was just to point out that you can't accuse me of being ridiculous for disapproving of harry potter then make absurd statements like "all books should be respected".

the point is that harry potter is, however unintentionally, dangerous literature. books can have a huge impact on young minds (enid blyton affected my vocabulary irrevocably and c.s. lewis taught me lessons i will never forget) and we need to make sure they're having the right impact.

it's been nice debating, but i have lectures tomorrow, so i'm off to bed. goodnight.

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I am not hung up. I think that books should be maintained if theyre yours.I will not disapprove of yuor view as this is a free forum, and the right to express your opinion is a fundamental one. All literature is dangerous, if you view it that way. Why then is Sun Tzu's th eart of war sold if we had not dangerous literature? It teaches generals how to wage war. Harry potter isnt directly dangerous but it does have some possible messages that could be interpreted as dangerous.
Have a good day all. Talk 2 u soon.

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GUYS!

STOP STOP STOP STOP!

[Excuse me excessive caps]

But NO. We are NOT going to continue this conversation.

We are no longer discussing about Tolkien and Rowling's influences or whether or not Rowling copied off of Tolkien, the topic is now on whether or not Harry Potter should be respected because of its content. This is NOT the topic of the thread which means for the past 2 pages you just have been discussing something completely off - topic.

Please GET back on the topic of the topic will be closed.

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Please everyone lets get on topic. Kitoky will doubt less check this thread so I suggest that we fdollow this. We dont want ht etopic to close so I suggest we compose a list of Ideas that are shared by tolkien and rowling. I will @ some point start a topic about Harry potter and its content if there r ewnuff ere that will bother to come and talk bout it. Contact me if u want 2.
P.S Kitoky, you seem to, no its nothing actually.
It may get me into more trouble than the comments worth.

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ok, a list of similarities...

- both heroes (frodo and harry) are orphans who discover they have a purpose (destroying the ring and defeating voldemort respectively) that they think is beyond them

- both heroes receive help from people they initially fear (aragorn and sirius black)

- the nazgul and the dementors are pretty similar (black breath/dementor's kikss)

- both villains are attempting to reassume a physical form and need something the hero has (the ring and harry himself/the horocruxes) to do so

- gandalf and dumbledore have a lot in common (but the wise, benevolent wizard is a bit of a stock character anyway)

can't think of any more for now (i'm a wee bit rusty on specifics) but i'm sure there are others

eonwesbestmate - if you do start a separate topic about harry potter's content, i will drop by, but i've pretty much said my piece here any way.

and kitoky - we'd already finished that conversation before you stepped in (see the two posts above yours). i'm sorry if we broke any rules, but you can't help digressing sometimes - it's a natural part of conversation.

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what about this:
Both of th ewise people ( dumbledore and Gandalf)
have birds as their friends, Thorondor and Fawkes.

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It may have wrapped up, but the tension is still there and a fight could've easily broken out again. I'm just giving the official warning in case it does happen.

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Dont Worry Kitoky, well be self governinig and no fighting will break out-only serious debating lol.

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All right, I'll trust you guys since you've handled yourselves pretty well so far.

But I will be checking in now and then.

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Ok then, please do so to maitain the tenure on topic. We will try our best to keep it on topic, but sometimes conversation does take a person far from the original subject matter.

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Absolutley! I was considering setting a thread up about this but clearly you got there first

No there are many thinks Rowling has stolen from Lord of the Rings and just incorparated them into Harry Potter. The Whomping Willow for example...similar to Old man Willow...and Dobby the house elf, simliar to Smeagol. It's unreal the amount of ideas she has stolen!

I must say i do love Harry Potter, but i personally believe that without The Lord of the Rings, there is absolutley no WAY in which Harry Potter would have gotten as far as it is today.

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I havent yet set up thread, am still considering it so if u want ot set 1 up, u can Frodos guide.
I will visit if u do lol.

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[lol i meant one about jk rowling and tolkien lol ]

I actually composed a list of the annoying thing about Harry Potter for a Room 101 project i had to complete once talking about what we hate and why. It's all too obvious that Rowling stole almost all of the ideas for creatures and cleverly diguised them with different roles in the story. It's quite ridiculous really.

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