Ok, I didn't know where to put it. When the council of Elrond was held, representatives from each realm came, right? So, why wasn't representative of Rohan there? Wasn't it a realm or country?( whatever is the proper word)
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| Author: | Lothiriel [ December 24th, 2006, 3:00 am ] |
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Ok, I didn't know where to put it. When the council of Elrond was held, representatives from each realm came, right? So, why wasn't representative of Rohan there? Wasn't it a realm or country?( whatever is the proper word)
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| Author: | Darrell [ December 24th, 2006, 5:23 am ] |
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Representatives from most realms came. Maybe rohan did not recieve an invitation. Maybe Boromir went as a representative for both Gondor and Rohan. I don't know, it's a good question, and something I have never though of before. I'll have to go away and think about it 
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| Author: | tindomiel [ December 24th, 2006, 7:40 am ] |
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welll..not really rep of the realms but reps of the RACES so the invite was obviously sent to Gondor,the chief settlement of the race of men..i guess?? |
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| Author: | fair rider [ December 24th, 2006, 5:48 pm ] |
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Well maybe it was because Grima Wormtongue had such a strong influence in Rohan that a representative wasn't sent. To be honest I haven't really thought about it. It's made me think alot. 
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| Author: | ethelfleda [ December 24th, 2006, 6:14 pm ] |
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tindomiel wrote: welll..not really rep of the realms but reps of the RACES so the invite was obviously sent to Gondor,the chief settlement of the race of men..i guess??
nobody was invited to the council of elrond - everyone went to rivendell on their own mission and it was only fate or fortune that meant they were all there at the right time. i think you're right about one thing though - it was more important to have a representative from each race than to have a representative from each realm. |
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| Author: | tindomiel [ December 25th, 2006, 10:52 am ] |
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Oh yea,i forgot abt tht.. |
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| Author: | Iritarimel Noramírë [ December 25th, 2006, 11:34 am ] |
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I, too, never thought of that... I wonder what everyone's mission in Rivendell was? How convenient each race was there... But this is a story. ~Iri |
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| Author: | Lothiriel [ December 26th, 2006, 7:16 am ] |
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Thanks guys for answering the question. But like Iritarimel Noramire said it seems too convinient,doesn't it?
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| Author: | Eä [ December 27th, 2006, 11:35 am ] |
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Well, there were more people present at the Council than formed the Fellowship. Most of them were prominent elves. Legolas came with the news of Gollum's escape and most of the others might have come because of the rise of the Shadow and the general thread of war hanging over the land. And actually they do spend some time in Rivendell... Frodo gets time to recover and in the meantime words could have been sent out for the people to come. But am I completely wrong if I seem to remember that an invitation was sent to Denethor? Or do I confuse it with the movie? |
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| Author: | Aerandir [ December 27th, 2006, 1:32 pm ] |
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You confuse it with the movie. As eowyn of ithilien said, nobody was invited. They all came to Rivendell for separate purposes, and when Frodo arrived, Elrond decided that a Council would be in order, to allow each to speak for their race. To be more specific about what you were thinking of, Ea, Boromir and Faramir had both been having dreams, in which they heard a voice saying "Seek for the sword that was broken, in Imladris it dwells. There shall counsels be taken, stronger than Morgul-spells." There was a bit more, but unlike that part, I don't remember it off of the top of my head. So Boromir went to Imladris to figure out the dream, not because of any summons from Elrond. |
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| Author: | Eä [ December 27th, 2006, 2:26 pm ] |
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Thank you for the correct information Aerandir. I read FotR over summer break and I don't remember it now... it doesn't look too prosperous for my memory... Didn't Boromir also come to ask for aid and alliance in the coming war? What was the reason for Gimli and his father to be in Imladris? *ponders* Owh, I think I might remember... Sauron had sent his emissaries to the dwarves and offered them to join his alliance. In return they were promised Moria, I believe... |
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| Author: | Kitoky [ December 27th, 2006, 3:05 pm ] |
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Yeah, no exact invitations are sent. In the movie, we had the impression that Denethor simply sent Boromir and a few of his men to retrieve the one ring so that they can re-glorify the honor of Men. |
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| Author: | Eä [ December 27th, 2006, 3:35 pm ] |
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^And we (read: I) get the impression that 'Word has been sent from Elrond in Rivendell'. I'm pretty sure that sentence comes from the EE. Faramir offers to go instead of Boromir, but is rejected by (does the sign to avert the evil eye*) Denethor. Anyway, this is a book discussion and obviously I haven't got much to add to the discussion since I'm on Christmas break and don't have the books here and my memory serves me as well as a rotten herring. *retreats from thread* |
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| Author: | Kitoky [ December 27th, 2006, 4:18 pm ] |
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Lol, don't worry. I remember more of movie than book as well. Perhaps the "word from Elrond" was just an ardent warning to Mordor's uprising? |
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| Author: | Anameleth [ January 4th, 2007, 2:21 pm ] |
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Eä wrote: ^And we (read: I) get the impression that 'Word has been sent from Elrond in Rivendell'. I'm pretty sure that sentence comes from the EE. Faramir offers to go instead of Boromir, but is rejected by (does the sign to avert the evil eye*) Denethor.
Anyway, this is a book discussion and obviously I haven't got much to add to the discussion since I'm on Christmas break and don't have the books here and my memory serves me as well as a rotten herring. *retreats from thread* I think what happened with Faramir and Boromir, was that Denethor wanted Faramir to go, because the journey was dangerous and he loved Faramir least. But Boromir insisted on going himself, and in the end Denethor gave in. In the movie (I'm not sure about the books), you get the impression that Boromir wanted to get the "weapon" that the dream spoke of, which appeared to be the Ring, to Gondor, to aid them in war, and also that Faramir wants to take it to Denethor as a gift, to show his father that he is as much worth as Boromir was, but Boromir's real mission was to get Elrond's aid on what the dream meant and what to do about it. |
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| Author: | Aerandir [ January 4th, 2007, 2:28 pm ] |
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I don't recall the dream being in the movie at all, actually. Yes, Ea--Boromir also went to ask for military aid. Silme, you're right in that Faramir would have gone had not Boromir desired it also, and claimed the right of the firstborn to do it. I don't remember which of them Denethor sided with at first, though. |
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