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Author:  Lostariel [ March 25th, 2007, 1:00 am ]
Post subject:  Interesting Arwen Facts
I just realised two things about Arwen when I was reading the Silmarillion the other day. Everyone else probably knows this already, and they'll be like, "Der!" but oh well.
Here they are:

1) Arwen is part Maia. Not a very big part, admittedly, but it's still cool! Her great great great grandmother (I think that's the right amount of greats) was Melian the Maia.

2) That Arwen is related to Aragorn. Arwen's uncle, Elros (who chose to be numbered among men) was one of Aragorn's forefathers. So they would be cousins, removed about 50 (maybe more, I don't know, I didn't count) times. Is that right? Anyways, Aragorns would be so far away from Elros, that it's not gross. And that also means Aragorn is part maia, but even less than Arwen.

Anyways, thought someone might be interested!
Author:  Eä [ March 25th, 2007, 4:18 am ]
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True Lostariel. I knew it because I read the Silmarillion but it's still interesting. I believe when people live so long - as in forever - and have so few children the line of royalty must me more or less limited. Royal blood lines are usually not expanded very far - just take a look at the European royal families - since they tend to inter-marry. :angel:
Author:  Guest [ March 27th, 2007, 3:52 pm ]
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Wow the 2nd fact seems quite intriguing.
Author:  Eruhin [ March 28th, 2007, 11:46 am ]
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Isnt't that incest (or what else marrying between relatives is called)? :-D
Isn't about 50 generations too close?
Author:  Fíriel_18190 [ March 28th, 2007, 11:54 am ]
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lol Yeah right.. about 50 generations is waaay too close (only kidding..)
Well I always found it quite interesting that Aragorn and Arwen were related and if you look at the history of their ancestors, their marriage is kinda like closing a circle to me..
Author:  Lostariel [ March 29th, 2007, 6:35 am ]
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Yeah, I'd always read that Arwen and Aragorn's marriage was closing the circle, or joining up the long separated lines of the half elven, but I'd never understood before!
I don't think that they are too closely related, they probably don't have that much blood that's the same, if you get my meaning.
Author:  Fíriel_18190 [ March 29th, 2007, 8:28 am ]
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well yeah. I was just joking with what I said first in my post. They weren't closely related at all in my opinion. There were soooo many generations between Elros and Aragorn whereas Arwen is Elrond's daughter.
Author:  Nienor [ March 29th, 2007, 6:31 pm ]
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My parents are both related to John Greenleaf Whittier, so they're technically kin, but so distantly that it really doesn't matter.
I just like to say I'm related to Legolas Greenleaf. :P

Those are interesting facts! I must've known them in the back of my mind because I've read the Sil, but I never really thought about it.
Author:  Aerandir [ April 3rd, 2007, 4:01 am ]
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That's cool, Nienor.

I've always found those facts to be interesting, and as others here have said--it seems as though they're closing a circle. First it was Beren and Lúthien, then Tuor and Idril, and finally Aragorn and Arwen. Very interesting how they're all somewhat related.
Author:  Lasbelingur [ April 3rd, 2007, 3:43 pm ]
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When I found that in the book I thought, "I wonder if anyone could make a vvveeeerrrryyyy big family tree showing it".
Author:  Fíriel_18190 [ April 3rd, 2007, 3:55 pm ]
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well, in the Sil you've got family trees of the ancestors of Elrond and Elros and I think there's also a family tree of Elros' line. And in the appendix of LotR there are the names of the kings of Arnor and of the chiefs of the Dunedain. So you'd have to combine them all... a lot of work..
Author:  Aerandir [ April 4th, 2007, 3:50 am ]
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Yeah, but not undoable. I think I've done it once or twice before, just to see specifically how they were related.
Author:  Eruhin [ April 4th, 2007, 2:50 pm ]
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:blink: You really seem to have too much time :-D
Author:  Eä [ April 4th, 2007, 2:58 pm ]
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Aerandir, next time you do it, you need to take pictures and post here for those of us who happen to be lazy :-)
Author:  Fíriel_18190 [ April 4th, 2007, 4:09 pm ]
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^
yeah exactly.. like me :-D
Author:  Aerandir [ April 5th, 2007, 7:25 am ]
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That statement would be directed at who, Fíriel? :blink:

Eä, what I meant, was it was one big mental image. I combined everything in my mind. Of course, if I ever feel the urge to do it again, I'll be sure to do it on paper and then scan it. :P
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