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Post subject: Posted: June 28th, 2005, 3:01 pm |
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I'm sorry! I meant no offense! I just love both stories and the similarities don't matter to me Don't hate me
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Post subject: Posted: June 28th, 2005, 5:26 pm |
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Quote: Comparing the philosopher's stone and The Ring of Power? What, they both prolong your life? Wow, big similarity there. Yep, I bet when Rowling made up the philosopher's stone the one ring was exactly what she had in mind *wishes there was a sarcastic smiley* Varda wrote: But both also refer to pure gold. (one ring made by it, ps can turn any metal into it)
It may be a waste of time to you, but it isn't to me.
Ah but J.K Rowling didn't make up the Philosopher's stone - it's been a legend for hundreds of years so if we're going with that line of thought then they both copied but at least J.K Rowling admitted it by calling it the same thing
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Post subject: Posted: June 29th, 2005, 12:03 am |
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Beriadanwen wrote: I'm sorry! I meant no offense! I just love both stories and the similarities don't matter to me Don't hate me I wasn't trying to be offensive! Oops. Sorry if it appeared that way. I was just pointing out that I liked looking up the similarities. I don't hate you! Elanor wrote: Ah but J.K Rowling didn't make up the Philosopher's stone - it's been a legend for hundreds of years so if we're going with that line of thought then they both copied but at least J.K Rowling admitted it by calling it the same thing
Good point! I'll have to update that. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Post subject: Posted: June 29th, 2005, 12:10 am |
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Varda wrote: I wasn't trying to be offensive! Oops. Sorry if it appeared that way. I was just pointing out that I liked looking up the similarities. I don't hate you!
Oh good I just thought that you had taken offense to what I wrote. I realize that I did sound pretty rude I was in a sarcastic kind of mood...I'm glad you don't hate me though
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Post subject: Posted: July 3rd, 2005, 12:48 pm |
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I don't believe JK hasn't read LOTR because take a look of the keepers of Azkaban... I think that's taken from the Nazgul and also the unknown evil is an element used in both LOTR and HP. You just have to think about it... I was a huge fan of HP before knowing LOTR so I can say that for real...
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Post subject: Posted: July 11th, 2005, 4:38 pm |
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^ she has read LotR, it says it was one of her favourite books at university in her biography.
All authors are influenced by other authors anyway. Tolkien was influenced by Scandinavian myths and legends.
Though I don't understand the fuss about J.K Rowling copying. There are many other fantasy writers who's books are far more similar to LotR esspecially the ones who have epic quests such as Eragon, Shannara, The Wheel of Time etc.
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Post subject: Posted: August 7th, 2005, 8:17 am |
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Larael Greenleaf wrote: Personally, I like LotR more than HP. On the subjest of J.K Rowling copying Tolkien, I think she might have just been influenced. Most fantasy books have many similarities between them, as you all have already stated.
This is the best and the shortest explain for this topic.
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Post subject: Posted: August 8th, 2005, 3:00 am |
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Also, in the new HP book, the name "Proudfoot" is mentioned. Just so you know.
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Post subject: Posted: August 11th, 2005, 4:18 pm |
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Elanor wrote: Quote: Comparing the philosopher's stone and The Ring of Power? What, they both prolong your life? Wow, big similarity there. Yep, I bet when Rowling made up the philosopher's stone the one ring was exactly what she had in mind *wishes there was a sarcastic smiley* Varda wrote: But both also refer to pure gold. (one ring made by it, ps can turn any metal into it)
It may be a waste of time to you, but it isn't to me. Ah but J.K Rowling didn't make up the Philosopher's stone - it's been a legend for hundreds of years so if we're going with that line of thought then they both copied but at least J.K Rowling admitted it by calling it the same thing
hehe that kinda reminds me on the first chemistry lesson we had - everything i remeber is Al - kimia or something in this way in Arabian means the Philosopher's Stone (Alchemy is old chemistry)
i read HBP three times till now and it's awesome! really truly awesome. i was so sad when i had to lend it to my friend - next day i walked over to her and annyoed that much that she gave in and returned the book. yeah, good old Annoying Elf
i just hope JKR will hurry up with number Seven *worships JKR's picture*
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Post subject: Posted: August 11th, 2005, 10:46 pm |
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Ok pulled this off of page 2:
Quote: LotR seems, however, to be more developed. It has so many different peoples and places, and even the languages are written out. It is very rich of background.
Remeber, Tolkien created his world over the couse of most of his life, JKR has only been developing her world for the past 15 years or so. Also, you can't expect every author to come up with entirely different language. What you say is true- LotR is more developed.
I've seen a lot of name comparisons on here, and I have erad in several interviews that JKR has always "collected" unusual names. So, for example, she may have read "Longbottom" in LotR, and remembered it while she was writing Neville's character and felt that the name fit him (which I agree with her).
In defense of Dumbledore's name, a "dumbledore" is an old English word for a bumblebee. JKR has said that she always imagined Dumbledore walking the corridors of Hogwarts humming to himself, like a bumblebee. So if you must accuse someone of "copying," accuse Tolkien as well as Rowling for "copying" old English lore.
The same goes for many elements in the books, especially in Harry Potter-- lots of things are taken (and slightly modified) from mythology/legends/etc from around the world, most of them from Britain.
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Post subject: Posted: August 26th, 2005, 1:46 am |
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I have read from my english book that J.K. Rowling haven't even read The Lord of the Rings. As someone said earlier. And Tolkie.... I have heard that exsample Tolkien and C.S. Lewis read their texts so Tolkien might have something in his texts that Lewis had in his texts.... Or something like that.
But I can't say that Potter would be as good as LOTR.
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Post subject: Posted: August 26th, 2005, 1:50 pm |
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Enwiriel wrote: I have read from my english book that J.K. Rowling haven't even read The Lord of the Rings. As someone said earlier. And Tolkie.... I have heard that exsample Tolkien and C.S. Lewis read their texts so Tolkien might have something in his texts that Lewis had in his texts.... Or something like that. But I can't say that Potter would be as good as LOTR.
J.K Rowling took "Dumbldore" (sorry if someone else already said this) from Bilbo's poem. they're were "dumbldores" in it, and then, majically, J.K Rowling came up with the same thing. conquincidence? i THINK NOT!!! (lol)
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Post subject: Posted: August 26th, 2005, 6:46 pm |
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I think it might have been Does anyone feel like posting that poem cause I don't remember it. But as Jenny said J. K. Rowling didn't come up with the word Dumbledore, she got it from the old English word for bumblebee. I suppose Tolkien did the same.
I always find it strange in this discussion when people take a few tiny similarites between the two books and use this as a basis for calling J.K Rowling unimaginitive and a copy cat despite the hugh inventivness throughout her books most of which has nothing to do with Tolkien or any other author for that matter.
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Post subject: Posted: August 26th, 2005, 10:41 pm |
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Post subject: Posted: September 3rd, 2005, 3:38 pm |
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Varda wrote: Also, in the new HP book, the name "Proudfoot" is mentioned. Just so you know.
Yeah I noticed that the as soon as I read it. I paused for a second...then kept reading. There was another similarity that I came across but I've forgotten it
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Post subject: Posted: September 5th, 2005, 5:19 am |
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There are many similarities, but mentioning the name proudfeet....that goes a little to far in my opinion
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