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Author:  Jax Nova [ November 1st, 2008, 10:22 am ]
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It says after the battle where Melkor was taken captive that they brought him bck to "Valinor bound hand and foot and "he was brought to the ring of doom. There he lay upon his face before the feet of Manwe and sued for pardon"



What is the "Ring of Doom?"

It never mentioned it before then and I am not sure what it is talking about. anyone out there help me out?
Author:  Turwaithion [ November 1st, 2008, 11:32 am ]
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From the description, it sounds like a place for the accused to stand in a courtroom.
Author:  Jax Nova [ November 1st, 2008, 12:25 pm ]
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That was kind of the impression I got as well. I was wondring, though, if i ever says specificly and maybe I missed it or havn't got that far int he book. *shrugs*
Author:  Eä [ December 13th, 2008, 3:42 pm ]
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Here is a quote from www.tolkiengateway.net
I'm not familiar with the site so I can't verify the entry, but here it is:

"Máhanaxar, derived from Valarin Mâchananaškad, was the Ring of Doom outside the golden western gates of the city of the Valar. Here the Powers gathered to hold their great councils, bathed in the light of the Two Trees while those Trees still stood, and here some of the most momentous decisions of Eä's history were made."
Author:  Jax Nova [ December 14th, 2008, 11:51 am ]
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Thnx. :)

Now that I read on in the Silmarilion I am pretty sure that the Ring of doom was just like a meeting place/court of law type thing etc...


lol Thanks for the quote. :D
Author:  glorfindil3 [ December 18th, 2008, 12:08 am ]
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I think it was a gathering place for the Valar and Mai
Author:  Jax Nova [ December 18th, 2008, 12:20 pm ]
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*nods*

Yeah I believe so.

that is where the Valara sat and discused what to do about Melkor and also where they sentanced him to punishment the first time... where they do all that kind of stuff. (so far but I am only on page 120 or soemthing)
Author:  Aerandir [ December 31st, 2008, 12:10 pm ]
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Yeah--they do mention it a number of times in The Silmarillion. It is a place of counsel and judgement.
Author:  Anduril Vanlhach [ February 21st, 2011, 10:56 am ]
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In the Edda's upon whitch LOTR is based i seem to remember a meeting place where they passed judgment being called a ring. i shall have a looksies.
Author:  Idril Tinúviel [ May 7th, 2011, 2:16 pm ]
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Yes, I believe that is what it is. Either that it it is some kind of torture chamber. Something around those lines.
Author:  Erkenhelm [ August 26th, 2011, 4:56 am ]
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∂ я є α м wrote:
Yes, I believe that is what it is. Either that it it is some kind of torture chamber. Something around those lines.

It certainly was not a torture chamber.

"In that time the Valar were gathered together to hear the song of Yavanna, and they sat silent upon their thrones of council in the Mahanaxar; the Ring of Doom near to the gates of Valmar; and Yavanna Kementari sang before them and they watched." -Silmarillion pg. 31.

This describes how the Two Trees were born. The Ring of Doom was a place of council outside their main city, Valmar. This is where the Two Trees grew as well. The text is vague, but I assume that it surrounded a mound outside the western gate of Valmar called Ezellohar or Corollaire (Silmarillion 31).

Hope that helps :)
Author:  Idril Tinúviel [ August 26th, 2011, 8:15 pm ]
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Fair enough, I stand corrected. :) I plan to reread the Silmarillion soon, so hopefully that will refresh thy old memory.
Author:  Erkenhelm [ August 26th, 2011, 8:20 pm ]
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Its good to re-read the Silmarillion, as its a difficult read. There's so much information to take in that its hard to remember or even understand everything. I found the second time around was much easier and more enjoyable.
Author:  Idril Tinúviel [ August 26th, 2011, 9:08 pm ]
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Yes, I found it difficult to read the first few pages, but after I got "used" to the way the book was written, I was swept into the beauty and magic of it all. :) It was so easy to understand IMO after I got swept into the story. However, I defiantly have not been able to remember much from my last read, especially the details. I need to pick it up again. It was so amazing the last time I read it
Author:  Manwe Sulimo [ August 27th, 2011, 1:16 am ]
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Why would it be called a ring of "doom" though??
Author:  Erkenhelm [ August 27th, 2011, 1:19 am ]
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That kinda stumped me as well. My thoughts are that it is where the Valar took council with each other to decide the fate, or "doom", of people/places in Arda. So there they decided it was Morgoth's doom to be banished in the void for three ages after the first time he was captured, soon after the awakening of the Elves, etc.
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