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Author:  Anduril Vanlhach [ February 17th, 2006, 2:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Elvish Ages
youv'e set up your charrie, but you don't know how old they are, you want them to be say 16 in elvish years but whats that in human. Here is your answer.
The Elves follow to types of year, the Solar year, 365 days and the Yen year, 144 solar years. Why, the Solar year is for ritual perposes. The Yen Year is the normall elvish year. Its really long becuse the elves live along time. ( to cheack this go to the Appendix D, LOTR) so to find out your human age against your elvish, (16yearold) age multiply the age by 144, ie.

Yen year Human years
1 144
2 288
3 432
4 576
5 720
6 864
7 1008
8 1152
9 1296
10 1440
11 1584
12 1728
13 1872
14 2016
15 2160
16 2304
17 2448
18 2592
19 2736
20 2880
21 3024
Author:  Estë Undómë [ February 19th, 2006, 1:59 pm ]
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Cool I'm 2016! Getting on a bit. Hate to think what Galadriel must be :) still if we looked like that at her age who'd worry about looking good?! I said that it was useful.
Author:  Gersemi [ March 4th, 2006, 2:25 am ]
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i'm 3168 :blink: wow i'm old :lol:
Author:  Fíriel_18190 [ March 4th, 2006, 4:08 am ]
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*woohoo* I'm 2304 wow... that's a long time lol :)
Author:  Lady Erana [ March 4th, 2006, 6:18 am ]
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Whoa! I'm 2304 years old!
Like you, Firiel!:)
Author:  Elthir [ February 13th, 2017, 8:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Elvish Ages
But keep in mind that Appendix D does not say that the Elvish Long Year was based on an Elvish maturation rate... meaning that if you are a 16 year old Elf (16 in Elvish Long Years), you are not necessary equivalent to a 16 year old human -- it depends upon what (posthumously published) conception one plugs in.

For example, according to Tolkien's latest idea about this subject, Elves reached maturity at about the same rate as mortals ("little, if at all slower"), thus Elves reached maturity well before reaching even 1 Elvish Long Year. Even using the numbers given in Laws And Customs Among the Eldar (where it's said that Elves reached maturity after 50 years, or for some 100), both numbers are still less than 144 years of course. That said, there is one idea in which the Elvish maturity rate matched the Elvish Long Year in Appendix D, but even so, within that conception (as I read the evidence anyway, as related in the text Aman published in Morgoth's Ring), an Elf taking roughly 3,000 years to mature was true only for...

1) Elves born in Middle-earth in the early history of their kind. Thus in the very early history after the Awakening, it took roughly 3,000 years for an Elf to reach maturity (or 21 Elvish Long Years, as noted in the first post) -- and yet as time went by, the maturity rate for Elves living in Middle-earth decreased; in other words, as time went by in Middle-earth, the Elves reached maturity faster and faster.

2) Elves born and living in Aman; in other words, in Aman it still ("still" compared to the decreasing rate in Middle-earth) took 3,000 Sun Years for an Elf to mature.

But again, according to Tolkien's latest text on this matter (published in a journal called Vinyar Tengwar), it seems that this rather more complicated scenario was revised. The brief VT description is a very late statement, perhaps to be compared with a statement made concerning the maturity rate of the Numenoreans ("they" in the following are the Numenoreans) -- see note 1 to The Line of Elros, Unfinished Tales, where it's noted: "Thus (as the Eldar) they grew at much the same rate as other Men, but when they had achieved "full growth" they then aged, or "wore out," very much more slowly."

Emphasis on "as the Eldar" here.

The very late reference reads (author's notes to NKE or 'neter, kanat, enek'): Note 1: 'C.E. ? netthi. C.E. tth > Q., T. tt; S. þþ > þ. nette meant 'girl approaching the adult' (in her 'teens': the growth of Elvish children after birth was little if at all slower than that of the children of Men). The Common Eldarin stem (wen-ed) wendé 'maiden' applied to all stages up to the fully adult (until marriage).'

JRRT, from Vinyar Tengwar 47, texts generally dated 1967-70
Author:  Cemename Ithilien [ February 20th, 2017, 10:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Elvish Ages
Can you help me??? Im 31, but i dont understand how i find my age in Elvish
Author:  Elthir [ February 20th, 2017, 12:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Elvish Ages
Cemename Ithilien wrote:
Can you help me??? Im 31, but i dont understand how i find my age in Elvish


Hi! If you are 31 years old, then, even if you are an Elf, you are 31 years old... as the Elvish Long Year is not necessarily based on the maturation rate of Elvish bodies. According to Appendix D at least (what Tolkien himself published), the Elvish Long Year is a different way to measure time, given that Elves are long lived.

But if one is an Elf who claims to be 31 "years" old -- meaning "years" as in Elvish Long Years -- then he or she is really 4,464 Sun Years old. Or that is, whatever 31 x 144 is...

... in case my math is wrong :)


Maybe look at it this way, an Elf who is only 1 Elvish Year old isn't a baby according to Tolkien's last known idea [but see above for more posthumously published ideas], rather this 1 (Elvish) year old... is "really" 144 Sun Years old, and reached maturity well before turning 1/144.


By the way, I know the original post was just for fun... but... erm, so are my annoying additions ;-) In short, multiply by 144.
Author:  Cemename Ithilien [ February 20th, 2017, 2:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Elvish Ages
Thank you Elthir....its ok now.....i understand :hug:
Author:  Elthir [ February 20th, 2017, 3:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Elvish Ages
That's why I sometimes [on certain websites] list my age as less than 1 year old... in Elvish Long Years that is!

Sounds as if I'm younger anyway ;-)
Author:  Cemename Ithilien [ February 20th, 2017, 5:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Elvish Ages
And why i think in elves age i am old???? Hahahaha :-D
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