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Was Gandalf Around During The Silm? *memory loss*
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Author:  Larael [ June 7th, 2006, 2:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Was Gandalf Around During The Silm? *memory loss*
I can't seem to remember if Gandalf [Olorin] was mentioned in The Silm. Was he actually there?
Author:  Daughter of Feanor [ June 7th, 2006, 2:48 pm ]
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Well... he was very briefly mentioned when it was spoken abour the Maiar... But he was not an actually active character. His story in ME started in the Third age. I think this makes sense.
Author:  Antigone [ June 7th, 2006, 4:47 pm ]
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Yup he got mentioned in the Valaquenta (I think) and "Of The Third Age"
Author:  Larael [ June 7th, 2006, 10:48 pm ]
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So, he got mentioned meaning he was alive then, but he didn't have a prominent story line? Just trying to get this straight... :)
Author:  Darrell [ June 8th, 2006, 4:55 am ]
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Yup, he was there, but didn't have much (or anything) to do with the main happenings in Middle-earth until the Third Age, when the Istari arrived at the Grey Havens.
Author:  Larael [ June 8th, 2006, 9:46 pm ]
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Ah, thanks Darrel and Elfe! Oh, and Daughter of Feanor! :)
Author:  Ericadawn [ June 8th, 2006, 10:11 pm ]
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Here's from Wikipedia which I remember is correct...

Gandalf was the best-known of the Maiar of Valinor, a servant of the Valar, the Powers of the world, and of Eru Ilúvatar, the One. In Valinor he was known as Olórin, and was said to be the wisest of the Maiar. He dwelt in the gardens of Irmo and was the pupil of Nienna. When the Valar decided to send the order of the Wizards to Middle-earth in order to counsel and assist all those who opposed Sauron, Olórin was proposed by Manwë. In the Order, he had a strained, competitive relationship with Saruman, its head.
Author:  Eä [ June 9th, 2006, 5:21 am ]
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As far as I remember he was mentioned in Valaquenta, like has already been said, when the Valar and Maiar were mentioned and their powers described. Thus Gandalf (Olórin) is mentioned as being a Maia of the house of Manwë and Varda.
Author:  Fíriel_18190 [ June 9th, 2006, 2:39 pm ]
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yes I agree with ya Ea I can remember that too..
Author:  Lord Of All [ June 11th, 2006, 10:54 am ]
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Come on guys you need quotes:

"Wisest of the Maiar was Olórin. He too dwelt in Lórien, but his ways took him often to the house of Nienna, and of her he learned pity and patience."

This is all that is known of Gandalf prior to the Third age and the quest of the Istari.
Author:  Eä [ June 11th, 2006, 11:11 am ]
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And when quoting you need references to page and book! lol

It's very true Lord of all, ideally we need to give quotes to go with an argument. My excuse was that I don't have an English copy of the Sil right with me. Very pathetic, I know :blush:

My (possibly bad!) memory still tells me he is mentioned in I think the ending of Valaquenta... and it says that he serves Manwë and Varda.
I'll try to find out.
Author:  Fíriel_18190 [ June 11th, 2006, 2:32 pm ]
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^
that's also my excuse.. I don't have the English version as well.. :P by the way I think that Gandalf was a servant of Varda and Manwe was said in the UT, but I'm not sure, I just know that I read it somewhere..
Author:  Lord Of All [ June 11th, 2006, 3:34 pm ]
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Yes you are indeed correct. Olorin served manwe and Varda, though he often dwelt in lorien with Nienna. He often also spent much time amoungt the Elves of Valinor invisible and they wondered as he passed as it seemed happiness was walking amoungt them.
Author:  Fíriel_18190 [ June 12th, 2006, 2:32 pm ]
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^
exactly. That's what I've read. I just wonder where I read it. I think it was in the UT, but I'm not sure..
Author:  Lord Of All [ June 13th, 2006, 12:55 pm ]
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In the Silmarillion, though possibly in Unfinished tales. No in fact I beleive the latter the more likely.
Author:  Antigone [ June 14th, 2006, 1:15 am ]
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Yeah I think it´s from UT, all the stuff about the five Istari. :-)
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