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 Post subject: What about thrain?
PostPosted: April 16th, 2013, 8:06 pm 
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Does anyone know what actually happened to thorin's dad? I know in the film they dunno if he was captured or killed, and its been a really long time since I've read the book so I can't remember if it mentioned him or not? :confused:


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 Post subject: Re: What about thrain?
PostPosted: April 17th, 2013, 4:17 pm 
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As I recall Thráin also tried to reclaim Erebor, so he was not killed in the battle at Moria. During his journey to the Lonely Mountain he was captured by servants of the Necromancer/Sauron, and held captive in the dungeons of Dol Guldur. Gandalf visited him there once, and during that meeting Thráin gave the map and key of Erebor to Gandalf, who in turn would pass it on to Thorin. Shortly thereafter Thráin died.

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 Post subject: Re: What about thrain?
PostPosted: April 17th, 2013, 4:51 pm 
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That's so sad :-(
I wanted him to get rescued and have a happy ending :'-(


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 Post subject: Re: What about thrain?
PostPosted: April 17th, 2013, 5:04 pm 
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Lhunardaien wrote:
As I recall Thráin also tried to reclaim Erebor, so he was not killed in the battle at Moria. During his journey to the Lonely Mountain he was captured by servants of the Necromancer/Sauron, and held captive in the dungeons of Dol Guldur. Gandalf visited him there once, and during that meeting Thráin gave the map and key of Erebor to Gandalf, who in turn would pass it on to Thorin. Shortly thereafter Thráin died.


This.

Just to add, by the time Gandalf found Thráin he's pretty much forgotten everything, including his own name, all he could tell Gandalf was that the map had to go to his son.
Many years later, Gandalf meet Thorin in Bree and while talking to him Gandalf figured out that he was the son of the dwarf he'd found in Dol Guldur.

At least, I'm pretty sure that's what happened.

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 Post subject: Re: What about thrain?
PostPosted: April 17th, 2013, 8:59 pm 
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Nienna Mithrandir wrote:
That's so sad :-(
I wanted him to get rescued and have a happy ending :'-(


I'd like to remind you, most of the things in ME (and life!) don't have happy endings. Sure, Aragorn DID marry Arwen, and they had kids, but Arwen DIED. Sure, the ring did get destroyed but Frodo couldn't get on with life after that happened, and he went to Valinor. And many other things.

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 Post subject: Re: What about thrain?
PostPosted: April 17th, 2013, 9:05 pm 
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aralas_29 wrote:
Nienna Mithrandir wrote:
That's so sad :-(
I wanted him to get rescued and have a happy ending :'-(


I'd like to remind you, most of the things in ME (and life!) don't have happy endings. Sure, Aragorn DID marry Arwen, and they had kids, but Arwen DIED. Sure, the ring did get destroyed but Frodo couldn't get on with life after that happened, and he went to Valinor. And many other things.


@Aralas: Wait.... Arwen died?

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 Post subject: Re: What about thrain?
PostPosted: April 18th, 2013, 3:31 pm 
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Torziel Evenstar wrote:
aralas_29 wrote:
Nienna Mithrandir wrote:
That's so sad :-(
I wanted him to get rescued and have a happy ending :'-(


I'd like to remind you, most of the things in ME (and life!) don't have happy endings. Sure, Aragorn DID marry Arwen, and they had kids, but Arwen DIED. Sure, the ring did get destroyed but Frodo couldn't get on with life after that happened, and he went to Valinor. And many other things.


@Aralas: Wait.... Arwen died?



Yes. If you want to read the story in full you can find it in The Lord of the Rings, Appendix A, part 5. The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen.

But after Aragorn died, aged 210, she left Gondor and wandered in Lothlórien (all the Elves had left by that time). She died a year after Aragorn at Cerin Amroth. Which is a place in Lothlórien where Aragorn and Arwen had promised themselves to each other.

She died in the 121st year of the Fourth Age and she was 2,901 years old.

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 Post subject: Re: What about thrain?
PostPosted: April 18th, 2013, 9:16 pm 
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aralas_29 wrote:
Nienna Mithrandir wrote:
That's so sad :-(
I wanted him to get rescued and have a happy ending :'-(


I'd like to remind you, most of the things in ME (and life!) don't have happy endings. Sure, Aragorn DID marry Arwen, and they had kids, but Arwen DIED. Sure, the ring did get destroyed but Frodo couldn't get on with life after that happened, and he went to Valinor. And many other things.


Touche. The entire plot of The Silmarillion is "all your favourite characters die in horrible ways." :yes:

I wonder if we'll get to see scenes of Thrain, though. I hope so. :happy:

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 Post subject: Re: What about thrain?
PostPosted: May 29th, 2013, 9:56 pm 
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We may still get some stuff on Thrain in the second movie, relating to the dungeons of the necromancer (as that is where Gandalf found him), but it is unlikely in my opinion. The only mention they gave him in the movie was during Balin's speech: "Thrain, Thorin's father, was driven mad by grief. He went missing, taken prisoner or killed; we did not know."

And yes, Arwen totally died ("choice of Luthien" and all).

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 Post subject: Re: What about thrain?
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I believe there will be scenes of Gandalf and Thráin on Dol Guldur in Desolation Of Smaug

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 Post subject: Re: What about thrain?
PostPosted: June 24th, 2013, 8:29 am 
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aralas_29 wrote:
Nienna Mithrandir wrote:
That's so sad :-(
I wanted him to get rescued and have a happy ending :'-(


I'd like to remind you, most of the things in ME (and life!) don't have happy endings. Sure, Aragorn DID marry Arwen, and they had kids, but Arwen DIED. Sure, the ring did get destroyed but Frodo couldn't get on with life after that happened, and he went to Valinor. And many other things.


I guess the story of Húrin's kin is the best example...

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 Post subject: Re: What about thrain?
PostPosted: June 24th, 2013, 3:15 pm 
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^ You're right, but I hadn't read the Sil that time.

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 Post subject: Re: What about thrain?
PostPosted: June 28th, 2013, 12:05 am 
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The children of Hurin is pretty sad. and some of the stuff Turin does is wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: What about thrain?
PostPosted: June 28th, 2013, 2:41 pm 
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^Everyone makes mistakes, Gimli son of Gloin.

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PostPosted: June 28th, 2013, 4:00 pm 
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Meganelf wrote:
We may still get some stuff on Thrain in the second movie, relating to the dungeons of the necromancer (as that is where Gandalf found him), but it is unlikely in my opinion. The only mention they gave him in the movie was during Balin's speech: "Thrain, Thorin's father, was driven mad by grief. He went missing, taken prisoner or killed; we did not know."


I took this as foreshadowing--but that might just be wishful thinking on my part. :P

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PostPosted: July 2nd, 2013, 9:18 pm 
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Gimli_Son Of_Gloin wrote:
The children of Hurin is pretty sad. and some of the stuff Turin does is wrong.
Gimli_Son Of_Gloin wrote:
The children of Hurin is pretty sad. and some of the stuff Turin does is wrong.

Aralas is right bro!

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