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 Post subject: Elvenking in The Hobbit
PostPosted: July 18th, 2009, 11:31 am 
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I noticed as I was re-reading The Hobbit the other day that they never say the name of the Elvenking of Mirkwood. He's only refered to as the Elvenking. Does anybody have any ideas as to his name? Just wondering. :P

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Thranduil.

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Ah, thank you! But how did you know that Thranduil is his name? :confused2:

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Because Thranduil is Legolas' father and the King of Mirkwood in the trilogy. Since the Hobbit isn't that long before the trilogy, and they are, after all, elves, it must be the same person. Also, I believe in the Council Gloin mutters "You were not as kind to me" or something along those lines (when they were speaking of Gollum) when Legolas was saying how they treated Gollum, and then Gandalf said it wasn't the time to bring up old grievances. He wouldn't've mentioned it if it wasn't the same court that had run it.

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Ah! That explains it. Thank you! I can't believe I didn't catch that before! *Slaps self for being dumb*

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No, you're fine. Sometimes things just slip straight past you...happens to all of us. Glad I could help!

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I too wish Tolkien had mentioned the elvenking's name in the Hobbit. It's interesting how in the Hobbit he has a modest-sized part to play, and is nameless. In LotR he's just referenced in regards to his son, but despite his tiny part we're finally told his name!

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PostPosted: July 31st, 2009, 10:56 pm 
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Maybe he hadn't thought of his name yet, or hadn't confirmed it or the connection or something, when the Hobbit was written.

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Aerwyn Telcontar wrote:
Because Thranduil is Legolas' father and the King of Mirkwood in the trilogy. Since the Hobbit isn't that long before the trilogy, and they are, after all, elves, it must be the same person. Also, I believe in the Council Gloin mutters "You were not as kind to me" or something along those lines (when they were speaking of Gollum) when Legolas was saying how they treated Gollum, and then Gandalf said it wasn't the time to bring up old grievances. He wouldn't've mentioned it if it wasn't the same court that had run it.


I believe this is pretty much exact!

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 Post subject: Re: Elvenking in The Hobbit
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Yes it was the same person Gandlaf was talking about in FOTR! It say his name in the extras when Haldir greets Legolas in the golden woods, look at the link below!
http://www.tuckborough.net/elves.html#Thranduil

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I think his name is also mentioned in the Council of Elrond scene where Legolas is addressed as Thranduil's son.

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 Post subject: Re: Elvenking in The Hobbit
PostPosted: November 16th, 2012, 3:45 pm 
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At firs I was like:
"Craig Parker as Thranduil?"
"Sure! Why not."
*see a picture*
*surprised*
"In costumes they look like each other! :-o "

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 Post subject: Re: Elvenking in The Hobbit
PostPosted: November 17th, 2012, 11:35 am 
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Maybe he hadn't thought of his name yet, or hadn't confirmed it or the connection or something, when the Hobbit was written.


You hit the nail on the head Aerwyn.

There was no 'Thranduil' or 'Legolas' at this point in Tolkien's imagination... well there was a Legolas actually, but when Tolkien wrote The Hobbit this character was a Noldorin Elf of Gondolin rather. Tolkien would later lift the name for the character we know as Legolas, make Legolas the son of the Elvenking, giving the Elvenking a name too of course.

John Rateliff (author of The History of The Hobbit) draws a comparison to the Elvenking and Thingol, although the pros and cons of this connection are a bit longish to go into.


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