I believe that in this Movie, the way PJ portrayed Gollum as he is first intoroduced to the film was fascinating, I loved the fact he was talking to himself as he clibed down the rock face and teh cinematography during this scene was fantastic. I most especially loved it when it zoomed up on Elijah's face as he says 'release him...or i'll cut your throat' Fascinating.

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Yea...i know what you mean about sudden though. It was a bit out of the blue [lol out of the blue...out of elijah's blue eyes] lol sorry just ignore me.

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He does have the most beautiful eyes i've ever seen though...but i'll leave that for the swoon board

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This scene was so creepy! I loved it though. I felt so much suspense as Gollum was climbing down. I was also thinking though, how on earth did Andy Serkis do that? Climbing down that thing head first? He's mad!
I do love that sceen with Frodo (as I do all Frodo scenes!). He seems very.....strong there I guess. It shows ff his fighter side.

well i dont think Andy actually climbed down headfirst.but they did do a brilliant job with Gollum.

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No he didn't. I think he cllimed on a flat surface and they edited it to make it look like it was a vertical rock. It does look amazingly real however. Yes lol....Frodo the fighter.

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Yes. I knew that. I found it out later. But at the time, I thought they just had him attached to wires or something and had him actually crawling vertically. That would've been insane. Very very good special effects and make up for Gollum though. Weta Digital is amazing. Their CGI work is unmatched in my opinion.
Yes. Frodo is definitely a fighter. A lot of people overlook that because they write him off as just an insignificant Hobbit. But he's so much more than that.

Yes i know! I mean yes, Samwise is also a main character but Frodo is THE main character. I mean he's the only hobbit who is willing to bear the weight of the ring. Well, i say willing and Sam offers to 'share the load' in ROTK but Frodo knows that he is the only one strong enough to bear it. We see this in Cirith Ungol in ROTK when Frodo says 'Give me the ring Sam' and Sam hesistates for a moment. I don't know why so many people overlook his importance. If it wasn't for Frodo and Sam, the ring would have never been able to be detroyed, for through anyone else, it woud have weilded a power too terrible and great to imagine. And obviously got back into the hands of Sauron. They are both such strong characters and i think it's important for fans to realise the value of them.

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I don't think it was that Sam wasn't strong enough to bear it. That task just wasn't meant for him. It was meant for Frodo. And Frodo took it. Sam was there with him every step of the way. But Sam wasn't meant to be a bearer. Galadriel said to Frodo, "This task was appointed to you. If you do not find a way, no one will." That shows how much the whole mission really rests on Frodo. The other members of the Fellowship certainly did play a big part, but ultimately, it was up to Frodo, alone. And he suffered so much to do it. I don't know who suffered more to be honest. Frodo who was coinstantly undergoing the torture and ever tightening grip of the Ring, or Sam who had to sit there and watch his master suffer, and not being able to ease his master's pain. These two are the bravest characters in LOTR, and while a lot of people realize it, everyone should. Just because they don't look like heroes, doesn't mean that they can't save the world.

And indeed that's exactly what they did, save the world. I see your point but i still believe that Sam would not have been able to bear it. The whoel reason that it was appointed to Frodo was because of the fact he possesed the will, the love and the pure heart of which would be hard to corrupt. If you look at what it does to Sam in Cirith Ungol you'll see what i mean and how much Sam was tempted by it's power.

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As far as I could see, the Ring affected Sam very little at Cirith Ungol. He gave it back to Frodo. perhaps with a little reluctance, but that is to be expected. He gave it of his own free will, without being forced. The Ring had no hold on him yet. No, I believe that the only direct effect the Ring had on Sam was it's effect on Frodo. Sam loved Frodo so deeply that he must have felt strong sympathy for everything Frodo was enduring, amyeb even to the point where he could feel Frodo's pains at a lessened degree. Sam was very strong. He drew strength from his great courage and his great love. If the quest of the Ring had been for him and not for Frodo, I think he would have made it. It's not that I'm trying to undermine what Frodo did. As my favorite character, I could never say anything bad about him. I still believe that he is the only one who could get the Ring to Mount Doom under the circumstances. However, if the quest ahd been Sam's, I say he makes it, driven by his love and sustained by his courage. Samwise the Brave.

You have made vaild points and i respect your oppinion completley but i still have to disagree. Without each other, neither of them would have made it. You speak of Sam showing ' a little reluctance' i would describe it as a little bit more than that. He gasps as he gives it back to Frodo and that is a key moment within the scene. It demonstrates the ring's temptation but at the same time, it demonstrates how love and friendship alongside courage, faith and determination are so much stronger forces, and the fact that Samwise had all of these was the reason he could resist it. Frodo would have gotten it off him anyway as he was right next to him.

But no. It was more that a little reluctance and as i have previously pointed out, the reason for Frodo being the one to have the task appointed to him shows us that he was the one, the ONLY one [hence the fact he was the ONLY one to be appointed for the task] who would be able to bear the weight and burden of the ring! Think back to his reaction at The Council of Elrond when he reaslied only he could bear the burden.

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You're absolutely right. I agree with your points. Our opinions can coincide. Frodo definitely was the only one who could have gotten the Ring there. It was his task. It was appointed to him. And it is for that reason that he was the only one who could fulfill it. In Lord of the Rings, as the story is, Frodo is the only one who can destroy the Ring that much we agree on.
What I'm saying is that if Tolkien had rewritten the story completely, had Sam been in Frodo's place and Frodo in Sam's in the story, Sam posseses the qualities that would get him to Mount Doom. If the story were completely different, and the task was ppointed to Sam, I think he'd make it. However, as it is written, as Tolkein has it (which is perfect, I'm not questioning that. I love Frodo as the Ring Bearer and wouldn't have it any other way.), Frodo is the only one who could bear the Ring.

I love that scene! That is one of my favorite lines!!

"This is Sting. You've seen it before...Gollum!"
"Release him or I will cut your throat"

I also adore the taters scene, not to change the subject but its so funny when gollum is mad when Samwise cooks the rabbit! soo funny.
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