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Good points Haldir. It was even strange how all the Galadhrim were killed.. every single one of them, one of the most well-trained troops of the free people, and they were just slaughtered in order to suit PJ's needs for a great, heroic battle sequence which he could run in slow-motion with heart-wrenching music playing... If he wanted tears from the audience he could have introduced another insignificant charactor, perhaps of the people of Rohan - since it was mainly their battle... *shakes head* So cheap...

As much as I like Arwen I wouldn't want her copycatting the role of my other favorite female character (Éowyn).

Personally I think that it would have punched a hole right through the story. Where would they put Arwen after the Battle of Helm's Deep? It's like if they let the entire Galadhrim live... they can't just return home and leave the others to go to another battle. And in that case, it worked well; the Galadhrim could be slaughtered - all of them - and the story would not be effected one bit, because their fate was never mentioned by Tolkien, which left Jackson free to take that to his advantage.

He could not have gotten rid of Arwen so easily though. She could not die, because her character is needed later on. And after the battle, she would never return home like a coward, and leave Aragorn to war elsewhere. It just didn't happen that way... Elves would never abandon while they were still able to help. And Arwen certainly would not... she loved Aragorn too much.

And wouldn't it be very odd if NONE of the Galadhrim lived... and only Arwen did? I would have been appalled.

Author:	Renji's Howl [ March 25th, 2007, 7:48 pm ]
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She was, when they had to get her face in the shot, but I thought he stunt rider was Jane something.

Author:	Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ March 25th, 2007, 10:21 pm ]
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^Oh you're right... aye, it was Jane Abbott ... I just re-watched my DVDs....

Author:	Guest [ March 26th, 2007, 11:21 am ]
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ha..I always thought that was Liv riding. now, Miranda didnt have a stunt rider--did she?

Author:	Frodos-Guide [ March 28th, 2007, 1:45 pm ]
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why was she there in the first place :S

Author:	Guest [ April 3rd, 2007, 11:33 am ]
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Undoubtly to make her role seem bigger..

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Author:	ElfishGirl [ April 4th, 2007, 1:36 pm ]
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uuuh yeah didn't you guys know about that when the movies were coming out...??? There was this big rumor that Arwen was going to be at Helm's Deep but sooooo many ppl complained/hated it that PJ decided to take it out. At least that's how the rumors went. lol It was a big deal back then. But that's cool that you got screen captures of her. Twould have been the ultimatum in retardation to have her there in my opinion. Bad enough that she stole Glorifindel's horse. lol

Author:	Princess of Ithilien [ April 4th, 2007, 1:57 pm ]
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^Really??? You knew before it came out? I didn't even know about it until I watched the EE Appendices.

Author:	Guest [ April 4th, 2007, 2:36 pm ]
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I didnt know that either.

Author:	Ánië Súrion [ April 14th, 2007, 10:27 pm ]
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As much as I like Arwen I wouldn't want her copycatting the role of my other favorite female character (Éowyn).

Author:	Ashwise [ April 27th, 2007, 10:47 pm ]
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I would have loved to see Arwen at Helms Deep. It would be interesting to see how Aragorn reacted!

Author:	Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ April 27th, 2007, 11:35 pm ]
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Personally I think that it would have punched a hole right through the story. Where would they put Arwen after the Battle of Helm's Deep? It's like if they let the entire Galadhrim live... they can't just return home and leave the others to go to another battle. And in that case, it worked well; the Galadhrim could be slaughtered - all of them - and the story would not be effected one bit, because their fate was never mentioned by Tolkien, which left Jackson free to take that to his advantage. He could not have gotten rid of Arwen so easily though. She could not die, because her character is needed later on. And after the battle, she would never return home like a coward, and leave Aragorn to war elsewhere. It just didn't happen that way... Elves would never abandon while they were still able to help. And Arwen certainly would not... she loved Aragorn too much. And wouldn't it be very odd if NONE of the Galadhrim lived... and only Arwen did? I would have been appalled.

Author:	Eä [ April 28th, 2007, 11:32 am ]
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Good points Haldir. It was even strange how all the Galadhrim were killed.. every single one of them, one of the most well-trained troops of the free people, and they were just slaughtered in order to suit PJ's needs for a great, heroic battle sequence which he could run in slow-motion with heart-wrenching music playing... If he wanted tears from the audience he could have introduced another insignificant charactor, perhaps of the people of Rohan - since it was mainly their battle... shakes head So cheap...

Author:	Ánië Súrion [ April 28th, 2007, 1:48 pm ]
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Eä wrote: Good points Haldir. It was even strange how all the Galadhrim were killed.. every single one of them, one of the most well-trained troops of the free people, and they were just slaughtered in order to suit PJ's needs for a great, heroic battle sequence which he could run in slow-motion with heart-wrenching music playing... If he wanted tears from the audience he could have introduced another insignificant charactor, perhaps of the people of Rohan - since it was mainly their battle... shakes head So cheap... I feel like a regular idiot now - I didn't know the Galadhrim were ALL killed... I thought it was just Haldir. That's retarded. Why not kill off somebody else???

Author:	Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ April 28th, 2007, 5:37 pm ]
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Eä wrote: Good points Haldir. It was even strange how all the Galadhrim were killed.. every single one of them, one of the most well-trained troops of the free people, and they were just slaughtered in order to suit PJ's needs for a great, heroic battle sequence which he could run in slow-motion with heart-wrenching music playing... If he wanted tears from the audience he could have introduced another insignificant charactor, perhaps of the people of Rohan - since it was mainly their battle... shakes head So cheap... Exactly! It doesn't make any sense at all... Elves have thousands of years of experience and they are extremely skilled warriors. To wipe out their entire army like ants is just ridiculous. And to top that off, the Rohirrim were able to slaughter all of the dark army in one go... something that the Elves should have been capable of instead of the Men. Since when were Men more resilient than Elves?

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Author:	The Nightingale [ April 29th, 2007, 1:57 pm ]
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Ánië Súrion wrote: As much as I like Arwen I wouldn't want her copycatting the role of my other favorite female character (Éowyn). Ditto to that. In the books, Tolkien gave each character a specific role. And I think at times PJ kind of broke those roles that Tolkien gave them.

Author:	Ashwise [ May 3rd, 2007, 10:21 pm ]
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Haldir o Lórien wrote: Personally I think that it would have punched a hole right through the story. Where would they put Arwen after the Battle of Helm's Deep? It's like if they let the entire Galadhrim live... they can't just return home and leave the others to go to another battle. And in that case, it worked well; the Galadhrim could be slaughtered - all of them - and the story would not be effected one bit, because their fate was never mentioned by Tolkien, which left Jackson free to take that to his advantage. He could not have gotten rid of Arwen so easily though. She could not die, because her character is needed later on. And after the battle, she would never return home like a coward, and leave Aragorn to war elsewhere. It just didn't happen that way... Elves would never abandon while they were still able to help. And Arwen certainly would not... she loved Aragorn too much. And wouldn't it be very odd if NONE of the Galadhrim lived... and only Arwen did? I would have been appalled. You have a good point. Where would Arwen go? Would she go with Aragorn back to Rohan and the Pelloner Fields? What if she fell ill there?