| Arwen-Undomiel.com http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/forum/ |
|
| Orc Running with the Torch? http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=14670 |
Page 2 of 4 |
| Author: | Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ April 4th, 2007, 7:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
Hmmm you know how LotR is based on WWII? Did the breaching of the wall remind anyone slightly of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Obviously not as destructive, since the Medieval folk did not know of nuclear weapons... but that was a bit similar. Or am I just trying to find connections? 
|
|
| Author: | manwathiel [ April 4th, 2007, 10:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
Haldir o Lórien wrote: No, but the arrow stayed in him. If he was wearing armour it would have ricocheted off of it... but it didn't. So the arrows did pierce him and it stayed there, but yeah... he should have been killed instantly.
 didn't the arrow stay in his neck though. i mean yeah he acually peirced him....but basically the orc refused to die, no matter how much he was shot......kind of like boramir...and he was acually shot in the chest 3 times. |
|
| Author: | Princess of Ithilien [ April 5th, 2007, 2:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
Haldir o Lórien wrote: Hmmm you know how LotR is based on WWII? Did the breaching of the wall remind anyone slightly of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Obviously not as destructive, since the Medieval folk did not know of nuclear weapons... but that was a bit similar.
Or am I just trying to find connections? I'm always in two minds when someone brings up how TLotR is connected to the World Wars. I always remember how Tolkien says TLotR is not an allegory and he hates allegory, but I can't help connecting different parts of the book with WWI or II. It didn't actually remind me of the atomic bombs. The TLotR explosion was tiny compared to the impact of the ones in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. |
|
| Author: | manwathiel [ April 5th, 2007, 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
i've always connected LOTR with the wars....i've acually always been able to connect it with most elements of life. i think it just has everything society goes through |
|
| Author: | Risestel [ April 7th, 2007, 10:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | |
Hm. I never thought about it that way. |
|
| Author: | Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ April 7th, 2007, 11:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | |
Princess of Ithilien wrote: Haldir o Lórien wrote: Hmmm you know how LotR is based on WWII? Did the breaching of the wall remind anyone slightly of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Obviously not as destructive, since the Medieval folk did not know of nuclear weapons... but that was a bit similar. Or am I just trying to find connections? I'm always in two minds when someone brings up how TLotR is connected to the World Wars. I always remember how Tolkien says TLotR is not an allegory and he hates allegory, but I can't help connecting different parts of the book with WWI or II. It didn't actually remind me of the atomic bombs. The TLotR explosion was tiny compared to the impact of the ones in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yeah but in their time, that explosion would have been considered a huge one, would it not? 
|
|
| Author: | smeagollum [ April 15th, 2007, 3:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | |
Yes, it is, and that is a very good thought Haldir. I am going to wait until we learn about WW2 in History before I think too deeply into it though. |
|
| Author: | smeagollum [ April 27th, 2007, 7:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | |
Your welcome! I'm glad I can bring laughter. 
|
|
| Author: | Eve [ April 27th, 2007, 6:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
hehe, that is kinda funny how it's associated with the olympic! I'll have to watch that part again 
|
|
| Author: | mephiston, lord of death [ April 29th, 2007, 6:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | |
Haldir o Lórien wrote: Princess of Ithilien wrote: Haldir o Lórien wrote: Hmmm you know how LotR is based on WWII? Did the breaching of the wall remind anyone slightly of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Obviously not as destructive, since the Medieval folk did not know of nuclear weapons... but that was a bit similar. Or am I just trying to find connections? I'm always in two minds when someone brings up how TLotR is connected to the World Wars. I always remember how Tolkien says TLotR is not an allegory and he hates allegory, but I can't help connecting different parts of the book with WWI or II. It didn't actually remind me of the atomic bombs. The TLotR explosion was tiny compared to the impact of the ones in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yeah but in their time, that explosion would have been considered a huge one, would it not? Tolkien, as someone said despised allegory, and said so in the foreword. BUt i think that he used the bomb to represnt the advancement of technology, and how it can be used for bad purposes than good. Thats whati think it sorta signifies, but whatever moves u, then u can think that. |
|
| Author: | Aerandir [ April 29th, 2007, 8:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | |
Well, we don't even know that it was a bomb in the books--all that was said was that they brought blasting fire from Orthanc. We can only assume (probably correctly) that it was some form of gunpowder, but perhaps not. |
|
| Author: | Ashwise [ May 3rd, 2007, 10:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
I thought it was brilliant with the orc running with the flame, it just made the movie more suspensful!
|
|
| Author: | mephiston, lord of death [ May 4th, 2007, 3:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
Aerandir wrote: Well, we don't even know that it was a bomb in the books--all that was said was that they brought blasting fire from Orthanc. We can only assume (probably correctly) that it was some form of gunpowder, but perhaps not.
I spose it could have been anything. Maybe a flamethrower or somethgin. But the title Blasting Fire makes it seem like a bomb type weapon and not just a fire weapon.The blasting makes it seem like that for me anyways. |
|
| Author: | smeagollum [ May 8th, 2007, 4:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
I doubt the orcs would have made a blasting fire from wood.. the only real logical conclusion is gunpowder. |
|
| Author: | Princess of Ithilien [ June 6th, 2007, 3:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
Haldir o Lórien wrote: Princess of Ithilien wrote: Haldir o Lórien wrote: Hmmm you know how LotR is based on WWII? Did the breaching of the wall remind anyone slightly of the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Obviously not as destructive, since the Medieval folk did not know of nuclear weapons... but that was a bit similar. Or am I just trying to find connections? I'm always in two minds when someone brings up how TLotR is connected to the World Wars. I always remember how Tolkien says TLotR is not an allegory and he hates allegory, but I can't help connecting different parts of the book with WWI or II. It didn't actually remind me of the atomic bombs. The TLotR explosion was tiny compared to the impact of the ones in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Yeah but in their time, that explosion would have been considered a huge one, would it not? It would, but it didn't wipe out tens of thousands of civilians upon detonation and thousands more afterwards due to radiation... |
|
| Author: | Larael [ August 26th, 2007, 5:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
I don't think I would compare the explosion at Helms Deep to WWII, rather to the attacks on 11 September in the US. Even the LotR cast mentions that that is what they are reminded of when they watch that scene. |
|
| Page 2 of 4 | All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ] |
| Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group http://www.phpbb.com/ |
|