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| Author: | Captain Faramir [ May 27th, 2006, 1:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Grima: Is he a servant or corrupted too?? |
I like Grima really but he looks like a servant in the movies. I do not think he was a servant in his past life. Since all men weakened by the power of the ring and Saruman. He was dragged to that region and become evil. |
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| Author: | Lady Erana [ May 27th, 2006, 1:31 am ] |
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In the books it is said somewhere that he was not always that evil as in his last few years. I don't like Grima, and i probable will never do. I would like to hear his reasons for betraying Theoden. If Grima was a servant... He did serve Saruman! |
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| Author: | Taurquende [ May 27th, 2006, 6:40 pm ] |
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I kind of feel sorry for Grima... he was driven by both love (for Eowyn) and fear (of Saruman/Sauron). I really don't think he was evil at heart, just exiled with no where to turn. |
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| Author: | Fíriel_18190 [ May 28th, 2006, 4:41 am ] |
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I don't like Grima, but I think that he had not always been evil. I think he served Saruman, because he was afraid of him. |
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| Author: | Lady Erana [ May 28th, 2006, 4:47 am ] |
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Yes, I think that, too. But Fear was not the only reason for betraying Theoden, I think that there is something else... maybe his love for Éowyn. |
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| Author: | Captain Faramir [ May 28th, 2006, 4:52 am ] |
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Definitely Eowyn is a really treasure for him. However, Eomer could not allow him if Grima were not evil from the beginning. |
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| Author: | Larael [ May 28th, 2006, 6:49 pm ] |
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Of course I don't think Grima started out as a bad person. Everyone can be swayed by power and the temptation of evil, and I think that's exactly what happened. [Lol, listen to me, I sound like some church preacher...] We don't know much about his past life, but I think we can assume that Saruman probably drew Grima in with promises of power and such then kicked him out to work as a kind of slave to himself [Saruman] and a master to Theoden. |
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| Author: | Aduial-Galad [ May 29th, 2006, 12:03 am ] |
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Didn't it say somewhere that Saruman promised him Eowyn if he worked under the laws of Sauron? I think he did... And I did like Grima in... ROTK? I think so... before he died. He was about to go down to Theodon,, but he killed Saruman instead...then....Hmm. I feel sorry for him Anyway.... And I think one of the reasons he served Saruman, was because, even when he was, you know, a good guy... I don't think many people liked him much, and so, he was sort of exiled I guess. Nt sure though, interesting question. But I would say he was more of a servant than coruppted, because he probably knew he'd never get hold of the ring. |
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| Author: | Larael [ May 29th, 2006, 1:23 pm ] |
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Yep, Saruman swayed Grima into working for him by promising him Eowyn. As I said Grima had to be tempted by something so as to fall under Saruman's power. |
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| Author: | Aduial-Galad [ May 30th, 2006, 2:21 am ] |
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Yeah, and for a poor old sod like Grima, A nice little lady like Eowyn would work a treat! lol. |
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| Author: | Lady Erana [ May 30th, 2006, 10:23 am ] |
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I am writing about a similar problem in another forum, it's about Saruman and his ring. There it is said that maybe this ring of Saruman was much alike the One Ring, maybe it ruled Grima's actions. |
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| Author: | Larael [ May 31st, 2006, 4:02 pm ] |
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That's a really interesting thought Éowyn, and I think it could definitely be true. I don't think it had the exact power the the One Ring had, but probably the same concept. |
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| Author: | Fíriel_18190 [ June 2nd, 2006, 11:01 am ] |
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^ yes that's an interesting aspect.. but I also think that Eowyn played a big part for Grima when he was corrupted by Saruman.. |
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| Author: | Gwenneth [ June 2nd, 2006, 3:25 pm ] |
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I think I'd have to agree with you guys. Grima is corrupted, and I do remember something about him not always being evil. |
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| Author: | Lady Erana [ June 3rd, 2006, 4:50 am ] |
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Yes, I believe, when he got Theoden's advisor, he was not yet evil or corrupted. Maybe he once met Saruman and slipped out that he was the advisor of the king of Rohan, and so Saruman made up his plans about how to currupt him.. |
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| Author: | Captain Faramir [ June 3rd, 2006, 5:27 am ] |
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I think Grima wanted to change his side knowingly because every time he saw Eowyn was like a torchment for him because what he wants seemed like an unreacheable prize |
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