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Author:  FĂ­riel_18190 [ May 28th, 2006, 9:31 am ]
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yes orcs are definitely not intelligent that's what I can tell after reading LotR..

Author:  Larael [ May 28th, 2006, 7:30 pm ]
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I don't think it's very odd at all...

Orcs have brains like everybody else and so they can control their own movement and speech. The only reason they ever really had to be told what to do is because they aren't really the most intelligent creatures.

Author:  Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ May 28th, 2006, 7:58 pm ]
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yeah theyre a bit addled considering they were once elves, but were tortured

Author:  Larael [ May 28th, 2006, 10:21 pm ]
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^Exactly, but despite that bit of unintelligentness [new word! ;) ] they are quite capable of making most decisions of sorts for themselves.

Author:  Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ May 28th, 2006, 10:22 pm ]
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yeah ... so Tolkien proved :yes:

Author:  Caunion cyn Britannia [ June 5th, 2006, 10:04 am ]
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You know Tolkien also changed the ideas of a troll as well. Troll were original, in fantasy, little devilish creatures and they ranged from the size of a giant to a dwarf. But now, thanks to Tolkien, trolls are largely recognized as orgrish creatures.

Author:  eowynfaramir4eva [ June 5th, 2006, 3:57 pm ]
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I have heard of orcs in Tolkien's world first so I thought who they were as the rest, but SAW I know whatcha mean. Orcs in online games are defined as dumb and stupid which makes me wanna start a rebellion, but I'm not...They put orcs & trolls in the same position too, but orcs are being re-defined again, because of the movies.

Author:  Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ June 5th, 2006, 5:27 pm ]
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^which is a good thing ;)

Author:  Captain Faramir [ June 5th, 2006, 10:48 pm ]
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So it does not sound to you wierd. I guess before LOTR I played so much fantasy :D.That made me confusing enough to open this thread. They are definitely able to talk and act as you all said. So I say this is one of Tolkien's creations.

Author:  Ashwise [ June 30th, 2006, 6:50 pm ]
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He didn't invent orcs? Then who did?

Author:  Aredhel Ar-Feiniel [ July 1st, 2006, 11:58 pm ]
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Dunno ... I suppose it was a part of the fantasy world for a very long time.

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